From my experience there are large numbers of people that will not come out and call themselves an atheist or agnostic, however, upon hearing their religious philosophy I would say that is exactly what they are. Has anyone else noticed that?
Yes, there are a heck of a lot of agnostic Christians. But if they admit to being agnostic they will suffer the wrath of hateful Christians.
yeh. and I don't care. if they don't live their lives forcing superstitious beliefs down other people's throats, they can call themselves whatever they want.
Yes, I have met a lot of people (clients included) who say they don't believe in God, but they aren't atheists. (?!?) I think they know there is a stigma attached to the word atheist, so they feel better with a softer word, like agnostic, humanistic, spiritual, etc. I just smile to myself, as I know in some number of years they will acknowledge they are in fact atheists. Some of these people still go to church. It will take some time.
This phenomena is part of why I try to show an atheistic life as being honest toward just being good because it's the right thing to do, and is done by relying on one's integrity. No absolution of sins by confession, just be the best person you can be with what you know, and if unsure how to improve, learn!
That is very true and especially so here in Ireland. Letting go completely seems an impossibility for so many. I have had conversations with people who admit to having lost their faith. Yet at the end of it they will say something like "But there has to be something " etc.
There are huge numbers of people, i'm one, who don't feel the need ( in fact are quite bamboozled by it ) to self-identify in such a manner ?
Do you believe in zero gods? If so then you are an Atheist.
@xenoview i would refer to the comment above ?
There are a lot of people who are non-believers who don't want to be associated with the "New Atheists" movement, so they refrain from the label. I'm more or less in that camp. I don't believe in magic & mysticism, but I also have no interest in being associated with the likes of Hitchens, Dawkins, or Harris. They are not people who I would choose as role models. It's really not any different from people who don't eat animal products, but refrain from calling themselves vegans. The labels have a bad stigma for some.
I am an atheist with respect to the mythical pagan gods of old, and I am an atheist with respect to Yahweh, the God of the Bible. But I do not call myself an atheist or agnostic in general because I lean toward the idea of universal consciousness— something like Brahman or ultimate reality. I can’t see how labeling myself with respect to such a concept would be helpful or meaningful. The idea intrigues me greatly and makes me shiver in awe, but there is no rational proof—it is purely a subjective experience which requires no proof.
In a sense it seems kind of artificial to identify as either a believer or nonbeliever when no one can understand the thing to be believed or to be disbelieved. We can’t even understand what we ourselves are, and we have little idea about the nature of conscious awareness, which frames our every experience. Our perception of reality is merely symbolic. Why waste time stewing over belief when we could be basking in the overwhelming miracle of existence?
Can you prove the universal consciousness? What evidence do you have it exist. Otherwise I'll have to apply Hitchens razor.
@xenoview Not so. I am describing subjective experiences. I am not making assertions that require proof. Also I said that I “lean”. That leaves plenty of room for dissent. There are a lot of ways to discuss the pros and cons of universal consciousness. Demanding proof is not one of them.
You are the one making a bald-faced assertion. Please present proof that I am required to present proof.
I'd have to agree with you there since I have know quite a large number over my years.
For centuries Atheists and Agnostics were persecuted, tortured and, more often that not, killed in the most horrifically imaginable ways and it's no wonder many still harbour fears that they too may suffer such should they reveal themselves publicly.
I have also noticed that the 'religious practioners' have a trait for 'adjusting' their system of believing to suit themselves or the situation, etc, they find themselves in.
For example,I have the dubious ' pleasure' of having one of those " New Age Evangelist" types as my next door neighbour, he is quite adeptly expert at adjusting his beliefs, etc, to suit his own needs and ends whilst insisting upon lecturing others as to precisely HOW they should believe and worship, etc, hypocrisy runs rife among the religious in my opinion.
But Atheists/Agnostics should no longer dwell in fear of the Churches/Religious, they should stand tall, stand together and proud of who they are and show the religious world that Logic, Reasoning and Reality not only free one from superstition and superstitious fears but also open the mind to the beauties of the Universe, Life and Free-thinking as well.
they might not know or be struggling letting go something that has given comfort, stability,purpose to their lives fear of losing family friends job community the list goes on i never went through it but seeing some of the people on heres experiences im pretty glad i didnt have to
I see that a lot. Many of my friends fall in that category. They just haven't taken that last step.
Mine too ,the closest they get is to say they're non denominational. I can be pretty outspoken about religious bullshit, and they always agree with me.
Being as how "out" atheists are among the most reviled and discriminated-against people in society, it is easy to see why someone would want to be pretty under the radar about their lack of belief.
I agree.
@Kojaksmom To return to this, I should have been more specific. It depends where you live and what your social and family group is like. A Brooklyn Hipster who works in graphic design can be a lot more "out" about lack of belief without facing social and professional consequences than a banker in Charlotte or a Schoolteacher in Mobile.
Yes, I see this on dating apps quite often. People will list themselves as christian. Yet after some further discussion you hear things like, "I'm really unsure about the possibility of god" or "I'm not religious and I don't know what I believe in". That sounds more akin to agnosticism than belief. Or maybe I have a misperception of what belief actually means.
Just as I did not wear my religion on my sleeve when I was a young believer, I do not wear my atheism on my sleeve today. Just as you said, if you would ask me related questions,I am sure that you would quickly and easily ascertain that I an ab atheist.
Love is of a person for who they are, for their character, not for what they believe, not for trivial things like religious beliefs.
I had to explain that to my religious friend, she said to me that we would be closer if I would come back to "god". I explained to her how religion divides.
Even though most of my intermediate family were indoctrinated at a very early age, I never really accepted the idea of a God, I always felt like it didn't make much sense and the bible sounded like something of a fantasy. Being a nonbeliever in my community is almost like you're from another planet or different reality
I think that once people start seeing atheism as a vague category that makes no claims and has no creed, it will cease to be a dirty word.