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Ok I am not American but to me how can the legitimacy of this presidency be maintained if all his inner circle are being arrested? If this was a UK healthcare trust, the chief excec would be expected to stand down. Can someone explain why he is being allowed to continue when it is obvious he is an illegimate president.

Amisja 8 Jan 25
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My daydream is that this lengthy investigation will surprisingly find Pence of wrongdoing as well as Trump, so they can both be removed at the same time. By showing how corrupt the republicans are in supporting such a criminal and treasonous administration, some return to a safe and sane country we all yearn for will be the result. The pendulum will swing back far left, in my daydream, ending this nightmare.

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PS
The system here in the USA is based on the Iroquois Nation's. This North American New York area Native American tribe is the first democracy in the world where women were the Supreme court, there was a chief leader & the population chose representatives to attend the 5 nations summit which is similar to our Congress. Benjamin Franklin & other founding fathers "borrowed" this system as they had no idea on how to procede towards a more perfect union. A neglected part of our history due to our racist oriented educational system, biased against any peoples not of northern euro decent.

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I've asked myself that same question for two years now. Why is this son-of-a-bitch allowed to keep being president when he's proven himself time and again to be a liar and a con man? He abuses the power of his office at every turn, he's racist, misogynist, lazy, stupid, ignorant. divisive, and wipes his ass with the Constitution daily. No employee as objectively unfit as he is would be allowed to keep his/her job in any industry but the president can? It's obscene.

How is it possible that a cashier, used car salesman, accountant, or dog catcher is held to a higher standard of performance and integrity than the president is? This country has become a joke. I didn't think my respect for government could go lower than it did when G.W. Bush stole the election in 2000.

I was wrong.

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It takes as long to impeach one, as it does to campaign for, and elect one. And even if impeached, they can always challenge it in court. In Merry Olde England, of just three-hundred years ago, a guy like Trump would have been pulled apart by horses, hung in chains, drawn n quartered, and have his head carried through the streets on a pike. But alas, nowadays, we must give them their 'due process'.

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Supposedly Congress, as they did under Nixon, for example, are supposed to be policing/monitoring/acting to uphold the Constitution & rule of law.
But until we just voted in new/democratic members, Congress were completely abdicating their Duty. Just a sick sad time for our country!
Thank gawd for Nancy Pelosi & Congresspeople with a Spine!

And now that we've elected a few reps actually willing to do their job, he shut down the government in a panic to hold up the process of indicting him. Desperate tactics from a loathesome dictator.

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The reason is that our system basically does not allow a sitting president to be indicted for any crime (the excuse being that no president would be able to govern as they would be beset by all sorts of presumably specious and invalid accusations and tied up in court). The leaves only two mechanisms for a President to be removed, and they are more political than legal.

One is impeachment, which requires the house to accuse the president of "high crimes and misdemeanors" and the Senate to convict. Since the Senate is in control of Republicans and unlike in the Nixon era they refuse to break with the president (making themselves, at minimum, enablers, and at maximum, also cupable in his crimes), so conviction in the Senate is unlikely unless there's an ironclad case that has politically destroyed the president -- and maybe not even then.

The other is the 25th amendment to the constitution, a vaguely worded mechanism that in theory would allow the president's cabinet to agree that he's incapable of serving for medical or mental health reasons and then have him removed, I believe by a majority vote of congress on their recommendation. In practice it requires so many people to be on board with the idea that it's not a useful mechanism in this situation. It's more for when the president is languishing in a coma with no hope of recovery, or is such a raving lunatic that he's running around in public naked with a lampshade on his head.

Above I say "basically" you can't indict a sitting president but some have proposed a loophole for this one in that he wasn't legitimately elected due to a little help from his friends in Russia, loss of the popular vote, and so forth. But that's not going anywhere most likely either. It's too subjective. It sets too many precedents. Enough legislators are not alarmed and desperate enough to test the theory.

If and when this is all over I hope there's a general push to correct these weaknesses in our system but my guess is that we'll be so relieved that "our long national nightmare is over" that we'll just let it be, waiting for the next autocrat to come along -- one, likely, smarter, more disciplined, subtle and patient than Trump.

The ONLY reason we've even got a PRAYER of getting through this is because Trump faints at the sight of blood and won't read anything longer than a tweet, which makes him cowardly, ill-informed, impulsive and scattered.

@icolan True enough but we are systemically hesitant to go down that road and the DOJ policy is just one expression of that. Politicians are afraid to set bad precedents and have history judge them for it; as a result, they are in practice timid when it's necessary to stand up for what's right. Such policies were NEVER intended to have us ignore, e.g., a president openly and publicly witness tampering.

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Can we come in to your house/country as refugees? My son was in London not too long ago, a Halloween party of friends from around the world. Anyway, he discovered that since he works in social services, he would move up the "scale" for allowable immigration.

Course you can, I'll put the kettle on 😉

@Amisja I'm the odd American, always having tea instead of coffee. Although I usually drink it bitter, my one son insists I add milk to the African varieties.

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"Can someone explain why he is being allowed to continue when it is obvious he is an illegimate president." The American Constitution limits the ways in which a sitting president can be removed. As long as enough Republican Senators can block attempts at his removal, via the Constitution, he will remain.

But you are free people. I can't understand why he isn't just being removed?

@Amisja Political polarization...he still performs for the benefit of wealthy Republicans.

You just answered your own question. The Republicans have the majority in the Senate, so Trump stays. Is it fair? Hell no, but that's the way our government is set up.

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We are being held hostage by the Senate because in order to get rid of him they would have to

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We have 3 equal branches of government. The process to remove a representative of the people is ponderous. Each branch has a manor by which they are checked by other branches so we are always in flux & always frustrated by the speed or lack of speed. at reconciling miscreant behavior. Our voters were manipulated by Russian actors controlled by the ex KGB mastermind, Vlad the Poisoner. Comrade Chump's supporters were excited by the rhetoric. The Democratic voters were encouraged to stay home & not vote as Clinton was depicted in unflattering manners. So until he leaves office on his own, ala resignation, or until we get more Senate Republicans to challenge him we are stuck until 2020. But warrior queen Speaker Pelosi, 2nd in line to the presidency after the Vice President, holds the purse strings & can check the POTUS by blocking him with House of Representative votes. Our system allows us to stop what is happening every 2 years as that is the term of office for the House. I hope this helps you to understand a different system for holding our government servants in check. No system is perfect. Except religion of course . Haha.

Thank you

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This is such a great question and I’ve asked myself this a million times. I’ve compared this to the crimes of Clinton and Nixon.. they don’t seem to compare. This guy is colluding with a foreign government. The issue is the Senate.. until they turn on him as they did on Nixon, we’re screwed. I’m not American, but that’s how I understand it.

that's it in a nutshell. Until the Senate finds it's spine we are screwed.

@Redheadedgammy thank you. I don’t want to be incorrect

@Green_eyes your comments are always spot on in my opinion!!!

The Senate and his rabid 33 percent who literally would allow him to murder somebody on the street. I fear him calling them to riot more than the wussy, wimpy senate republicans and their turtle commandant.

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I've been wondering the same thing.

Unfortunately, I don't think our founding fathers even thought this would happen or they would have put provisions into our Constitution. Right now, the Republicans will need to agree to take out the President, and they refuse to do it. Even if they did, that would leave Vice President Pence as president which many people (myself included) believe would be worse. They would have to take out both President and Vice President; which would make the Speaker of the House, President (Nancy Pelosi). Even impeachment doesn't guarantee the removal of a president.

I did a little research to see if the majority leader of the Senate can be recalled (Senator McConnell). He can, but the Republicans will need to recall him. If the Republicans refuse to take out Trump, they certainly won't take out McConnell. It seems that the Republicans are more scared of Democrats than they are of Russia.

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Mostly because his party supports him and they are the ones in power. They also like to have power and they will protect him as much as possible. I would love to see the GOP wake up and call him to task on everything.

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The american presidential system is one of the worst forms of govt ever invented. It has been such a failure wherever it has been exported, just look at Africa. Any other system would have had a vote of no confidence and he would be out. In the UK when Thatcher was losing the plot it was her own party that ousted her.

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Lots of us do want 45 to resign.
Our laws are different than yours.
There are legal protocols which must be followed, and Congress
holds the primary responsibility for enacting them. Not the People.
The ONLY thing the people can legally do, at this point, is vote for his
opponent in November of 2020.

Nothing would make the majority of us happier than for 45 to resign,
but it's likely he won't do that.
45 has ZERO integrity or honor.

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In recent times American politicians wouldn't make the list with reputation. Once they had to keep their activities under wraps. Trump boasts about it and sweeps into power. I suggest a movie called Idiotcracy to illuminate what could be happening

I love that film

"Idiotcracy". I like that and an apt discription of 'merican gub'ment.

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