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I just wanted to get some other opinions on this.

Have you ever been talking to someone who says they are open minded, but as soon as you say something they disagree with they Immediately tell you you're wrong but then don't give any coherent reasons?

Then you call them out on it and they say: "well, I guess you aren't open minded enough to understand"

Been in this type of situation with people who are "spiritual non denominational" on multiple occasions and it's driving me crazy.

GregM 5 Apr 26
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Yes I have had this happen on this site on numerous occasions and then they usually block me .

Unfortunately most people on this website are left wing liberal idiots.

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I've come to the conclusion that people who insist they are something usually are the opposite. There's a reason they feel like they need to say it. They wouldn't convince you otherwise.

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I avoid arguments, by finding something in what she says to agree with. Sometimes it takes a few questions to " tease out' what that something is.
Then I steer the conversation in that direction.
Or, I google it!

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This characteristic is not limited to spiritual non denominational types. There are plenty of people who have very strong opinions based on nothing who like to appear reasonable, but will not abide any difference of opinion. Usually, logic is not involved, let alone evidence. Here are some steps to take: don't engage with them, get the hell out of earshot - and stay there.

Politics are worse! I won't discus politcs because people on both sides get stuck in this echo chamber of nonsense and fallacy. No one thinks for themselves anymore it seems.

@GregM it sure seems that way.

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People are funny creatures

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What they actually mean is that they want you to be open to believing their point but closed to all others.

Yeah, that's my suspicion!

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You’re wrong

🤣😂

wat!

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My pet peeve is when I say "I read or watched this information." then I explain the information. They immediately say, "you're wrong." I think am I wrong to read?" While I laugh to myself, because they really hadn't listened.

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Yes definately
I've also been accused of not being open minded because I refuse to agree with someone's ass backwards ideas, usually religious, racist or astrological in nature.

I think "openminded" is just one of those dumb words people throw around to seem better than others.

MsAl Level 8 Apr 27, 2019

R. Dawkins said. "If you are too open minded your brains fall out."

@Fernapple Funny! My religious friend quoted that to me.

@Fernapple it’s from a speech or public discourse by Walter Kotschnig an Austrian academic and US diplomat from about 1930s

@Geoffrey51 Thank you it is always interesting to chase these quotes back in time towards the original. I have been spending a bit of time on trying to find the earliest use of the term "village atheist" but can not get very far to date.

@Fernapple yes I love to do that to. So many gems are attributed to either Oscar Wilde or Mark Twain and they just ain’t ! When you find the original speaker and the context it helps to understand what is really being said.

@Fernapple I thought it was a reference to a lone voice in a community. One of the early early C20th authors, it may have been Chesterton, used the term to refer to Hardy. That’s my best on that one. And that’s only because I love Hardy!

@Geoffrey51 Many thanks, I can work with that.

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I don't voluntarily associate with people like that, so it rarely comes up. On the occasions when I do, I keep the conversation lite.

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Sounds a bit like this forum sometimes!

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They may say open minded but true

bobwjr Level 10 Apr 27, 2019
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When someone insists they are open-minded, I like to follow up with - what would make you change your mind then? I find it is an interesting way to probe just how open minded they might be.

Besides if a person isn't willing to change their mind, you aren't really having a discussion but trading "talking points" only.

That's a good idea. I never thought to do that.

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Some say and truly believe themselves to 'open-minded' but are actually deluding themselves whereas other who are truly open-minded rarely, and if ever, actually mention that they are.
In my life I've met many who ARE open-minded BUT never advertise it and even more who state they are open-minded but are little better than a closed and tightly sealed door.

Kind of like if someone crazy says they are not is worse than someone who isn't crazy but says they are.

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Almost everybody wants to believe good things about themselves. Open minded. Sense of humor. Kind. Many of them are wrong about themselves.

Dunning-Kreuger effect in action.

I’m not wrong! I know I can be a prick, self-centred, arrogant and obnoxious. My wife once called me a pompous, insensitive oaf. Well. An OAF! Excuse me!

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I have a very good friend who is religious she ok with me being a atheist but let's topic of evolution come up she puts her fingers in her ears and starts singing lalalala

That's funny. Have you ever asked her how she thinks bacteria become antibiotic resistant?

Oh yes, I've lost count of the numbers of those I've met during my life.

@GregM that's how lalalala usaually starts

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There are NOT "Good People" on both sides..

I'm not going to give a racist or any other smug little, worthless any of my time.

Sides… always sides... its always polar, binary, you or me, either you are with us or you are against us.

The world is out to get you isn't it?

@GregM Hardly.

Racists and InCels....etc

Just have of nothing of value to offer o the world.

They are stuck in the ' 50's --------> 1850's

I am not oppressed by them. But I will not watch my neighbor being oppressed and not react.

@BufftonBeotch Is racism binary? By that I mean is it as simple as saying "yes" someone is racist or "no"?

Or is it a spectrum? Having an infinite number of potential modes of existence?

If someone was truly racist, they would not even be okay with people with the same skin color, they would need to share a common lineage. On the other hand, someone who was truly not racist would be okay with someone who wasn't human, use your imagination.

Racism is fundamentally about the ingroup/out group dichotomy, or what is commonly referred to as tribalism in the media. If a liberal talks about how much they hate trump and his suporters, they are excerising the same modes of thought that racists do when they talk about how much they hate other races. Some people hate more than others.

If you haven't started raging on your keyboard by now, let me share with you something you may or may not be aware of:

Race is technology

That is to say, it is something developed by humans for human use, and recent advances in genetic research shows that humans are genetically very close, and almost no one has a single heritage. Armed with these two facts, anyone who still holds on to the dogma of race is unaware of these facts, and if they can't accept scientific truth they aren't worthy to be a master anything.

@GregM Wow. I'm impressed.

That was almost coherent.

And I am distrustful/disgusted by trump and his cult because of behavior and nothing to do with race

------>even though 95% of them are white and stupid.

@BufftonBeotch I am neither supporting nor condemning the words and actions of the president.

The point is both of these viewpoints are based on hate. This recent post explains it better than me.

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@GregM It's is based in genetics. : we evolved to protect the tribe. That is why religion exists. It helps survival by identifying "us" and "them." And yes there were good people on "both sides."

I know many people who i can tell have such feelings. They are doctors, and lawyers, and professors, and gardeners,.... We don't talk about our skin colors are different. We share many of the same ideas about life, liberty, and so on.

Everyone is "rascist" in the sense that we are aware of differences in our outward appearance. I have no trouble with all the colors that live in my neighborhood.

I do have trouble with the assholes who burn charcoal lighting fluid on summer days. I don't care what color they are. They are shitheads. I hope they die from the poison soon.

Humans are not one dimensional. Attempting to make them so is one of the reasons the regressive-left's identity politics is so dangerous.

@Jacar I agree with the majority of what you say, except the part about genetics. It has been proven and dismissed time after time that genetics are not a reliable measure to determine ones heritage because humans are so genetically close to each other. It is possible for two people of the same skin color to be genetically closer than two people who have the same skin color and country of origin, and it isn't rare that this happens.

Our tendency to distrust people who have a different outward appearance isn't genetic, or at least not in the same way that form is. It is a learned behavior. How do I know that? Dogs exist! If genetics was the sole culprit then racist individuals would be unable to keep dogs around because they are actually genetically different, and significantly so. Dogs have a similar psychology to humans in the "tribal" sense although for them we call it "pack instinct". Dogs see themselves as being part of the pack with humans and can be easily taught to dislike other dogs, more or less for the same reasons humans dislike each other.

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These are the people we learn the most from. Ask more questions. And challenge less. Let them dig their own hole.

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i encounter it all the time here and on facebook, usually not in connection with religion, and although mostly with regard to politics, sometimes, surprisingly, not.

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