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Is it possible to be an atheist and a Buddhist ? Buddhist philosophy rarely reference to the supernatural, only in the area of reincarnation and origin of the Buddha to some degree. the rest is just good solid Mental Health

for example:Buddha Quotes
Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment. ...
Health is the greatest gift, contentment the greatest wealth, faithfulness the best relationship. ...
Just as a candle cannot burn without fire, men cannot live without a spiritual life.
I heard a Buddhist monk say 'if you believe in reincarnation your goal is to have a good life.'
if you don't believe in reincarnation your goal is to have a good life. I personally do not believe in reincarnation. I do have a meditation practice I do find solace in the Dharma.
and feel I can use it in my day-to-day live.
does this make me less of an atheist ?

m16566 7 May 8
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Since age 13, I have been an atheist. At 18, I found a slender book in the University of Michigan bookstore, "Tao Te Ching" by Lao Tsu. I love:

The highest good is like water.
Water gives life to the ten thousand things and does not strive.
It flows in places men reject and so is like the Tao.

In dwelling, be close to the land.

In meditation, go deep in the heart.
In dealing with others, be gentle and kind.
In speech, be true.
In ruling, be just.
In business, be competent.
In action, watch the timing.

No fight: No blame.

From β€œTao Te Ching,” written in the sixth century B.C. by Lao Tsu.

Awesome! πŸ˜ƒ

Likewise, The Sayings of Chuang Tzu ( Zhuangzi ) are worth reading if only for the simple reason that he is one of the very few philosophers from antiquity who possessed a sense of humour.

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My mother was an atheist and a Buddhist.. some of her daily rituals were Buddhist...meditation, candles, etc. She liked the practicality of the lessons but never embraced that a god was behind any of it...

I meditate and do some rituals because I like them...I think they are independent of what I believe

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I find the greatest attraction to Buddhism, Taoism, for the absence of diety and focus on mindfulness, establishing life patterns of compassion and authenticity, and consistently re-examining life choices. There is great freedom and contentment in having the learnings and intellectual power to know how best to live my own life.

truth is truth wherever you find it

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Atheism is a non-belief in a god. I don't believe Buddism requires a god, so I don't see the two as in opposition to each other.

Buddism does require a belief in things that cannot be proven, so if you're a skeptic in addition to being an atheist, you're probably in conflict with yourself.

Adopting some Buddist practices - like meditation - would not put you in opposition to atheism or skepticsm, depending on why you meditate

@phoenixlives

Agreed. As an atheist since age 13, I learned Transcendental Meditation at the University of Michigan.

Have been meditating since age 18. Thirty minutes. Meditation calms, centers and grounds me. I "awaken" calm and refreshed.

@LiterateHiker Me, too...I am a TMer...I do 20 minutes twice a day...it just silences the noise and keeps me from stressing out...I read the science behind it and know that it has helped me physically...wow--another thing we have in common!

"Buddism does require a belief in things that cannot be proven"
I disagree. There need to be some ideas that can be accepted provisionally and tested, but there is nothing that needs to be taken on faith. If you are relying on unfalsifiable beliefs then you are doing it wrong.

@LiterateHiker Go Spartans! M Go Blow! πŸ™‚

@Gareth Buddists believe in re-incarnation, don't they? Are you going to test that? πŸ™‚

@phoenixlives

I am not a Buddhist or any religion. I love this verse because it resonates with me deeply. Words to live by.

We can find wisdom in many places.

@phoenixlives Some Buddhists believe in reincarnation and some don't. I don't. If there's any evidence to the contrary I'll consider it when it's presented.

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Whatever works for you.
Who cares what anyone else thinks? If it's working for you, and you aren't harming
anyone with it, whatever anyone else may think about it is wholly irrelevant.

Good luck to you.

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Call it what you want, everyone defines it differently. It sounds like a beautiful position to hold. If it makes you "less of an athiest" to a few opinionated purists don't worry about it.

MsAl Level 8 May 8, 2019
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I am a Buddhist and a Agnostic, but more importantly I am a Realist and I realize the past and the future requires some sense of self awareness and enlightenment to provide the answers and give order to the world.
Things like karma, which basically says what goes around comes around and reaping what you sew gives a sense of order to life. I use the principle theories and teaching of Buddhism, and discard the dogma and religious theory.

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Yes. I'm a Secular Humanist that leans towards Atheist views, and who believes in Buddhist values.

It works for me. For the most part, I'm in a happy place. I will be happier in the future.

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It is very possible to agree with or accept some of the precepts of Buddhism without buying the whole ball of wax.

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Do not kill, help the less fortunate, etc, etc,. There are some teaching in all religions that are good advice to follow and to live by. I am sure buddhism has some concepts that are good. You can use philosophy to find the same teachings. Take the good things from any religion and discard the bad stuff. One does not need to believe in a supernatural being in order to recognize that some part of a religion can be useful in life. If you can use some part of buddhism to make your life better, than go for it. You do not have to accept everything that is part of the religion.

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It's not really possible to be a Buddhist without being an atheist.

3

Take what's needed from wherever you can and use it intelligently to make life comfortable for yourself. Most of it is labels designed to separate one from another.

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You are what you believe yourself to be.. existentially of course.. I may believe I'm a pro athlete but that would be a delusion. lol

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I know nothing about buddhism,or if there is a conflict in atheism with buddism... atheism is defined as a lack of belief in a supreme being. To me, pretty simple. Buddhism either does, or does not propound belief in a supreme being. Seems to me that just trying to take what I see as the best from any philosophy, and trying to follow that as a way to live, as best I can. Is the best I can do. With that said....to strive for perfection is a virtue, to EXPECT perfection in ourself, or others....is irrational. good luck

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I think it is very possible. I think the issue is about the relationship between spirituality and religion. They are not mutually exclusive. While religion often expresses itself in ways devoid of spirituality, spirituality doesn't need religion to express itself.

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To be atheist is to reject gods (deities). Theologies, propagating notions of existence of gods can be reasoned to be included in that definition. That's it!

Rejecting gods is more of an attitude or state of mind than a substitute thought system for 'religion'. Unfortunately, there are many self-aggrandizing people who wish to expand and elaborate the definition of that state of mind. From where they get the notion that they know more about our reality than others or at least enough more to self-license dictating to others what they must or must not agree with to be considered a valid atheist I cannot fathom.

They seem to function in a similar way to theologians. They want to gather their own 'flocks' of non-believers and hijack the term 'atheist' as their exclusive, property; as though other rejectors of gods are lesser beings with lesser intellect if they refuse to subscribe to the expanded definition's requirements of them; as though 'atheism' is some kind of monolithic designation that they alone possess the right to franchise.

It is largely because of the behavior of these officious, sniffy prigs that 'believers' see correlations with their own franchised thought systems. We hear it all the time from them. "Atheists are just another kind of religion" they say. I say atheists aren't even remotely like an organized religion or non-religion. We have in our midst, however, some very presumptuous and outspoken claimants as 'leaders' who do unmistakable impressionist acts dictating 'articles of faith' remarkably similar to Bishops and Mullahs.

Ultimately words mean things I propose the definition of an atheist
an individual that does not believe in the Supernatural and all that goes with it.
an agnostic is one that is skeptical about the supernatural but it's not ready to make a decision.
of course I theist is one who believes in the Supernatural. of course as we learn more about nature things that formerly were Supernatural or unproven may become part of the natural world. only by discussing these ideas can we come too understanding

@m16566 I prefer the dictionary. It standardizes words in such a way that clear communication can enhance common understanding. If the 'supernatural' is used as an expansion of a meaning, then a new word or word containing the pertenant part of the original word/idea ought to be coined to communicate the differentiation. Altogether, English has suffered great erosion in my lifetime alone by misapplication and expansion in meanings of erstwhile simply defined terms.

When one chooses to use a simply defined word in 'more inclusive' ways, understanding is muddied and those to whom a term might apply are dragged under the new umbrella when they don't necessarily fit. I refuse to abdicate my native thought and reasoning processes to theologies and other thought systems I've reasoned to be mythical. In that evaluation the individual is always the final arbiter in Nature. That I might choose to entertain possibilities about what some call 'the supernatural' makes zero change in my state of mind regarding gods and such. These things are not for groups or orthodoxies to determine or validate.

One of my oft' used tools of illustration is the rectangle-square comparison. Squares are rectangles. Rectangles may or may not be squares. The rectangle fits one definition and the square likewise fits it with another qualification added. That is why it is called something different; because it is.

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I don't see any problem with being both.

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For me, my opinion, True vision, the first step of the 8 in buddist beliefs breaks down to addressing fear. I do my limited best to follow the 8 steps. I use them as a guide.

As far as reincarnation. It is the reward for those who follow the religion. It is there to passify the fear of death. It is just as fake as heaven.

Eightfold Path, Pali Atthangika-magga, Sanskrit Astangika-marga, in Buddhism, an early formulation of the path to enlightenment. ... Later in the sermon, the Buddha sets forth the Four Noble Truths and identifies the fourth truth, the truth of the path, with the Eightfold Path.

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Yes. I consider myself Buddhist, Taoist, satanist, dudist, church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, probably also discordian but I haven’t researched that one enough. All of these are more philosophies than religions. Reincarnation and karma are early concepts of the cycle of matter and energy, and cause and effect. Nothing supernatural need be believed to make the philosophy effective.

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Why not.

From what I remember reading here a few weeks/months ago, there are a few people here that believe you can be both an atheist and believe in Jesus/God.

To be honest, I believe atheism has nothing to do with the paranormal/supernatural. It's only about the whether or not you believe in a God.

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I am not an expert on this but am an ex Hindu. I was taught Buddhism is the offset of Hinduism. The Chinese and Indians prayed and meditated on the same mountains. The groups separated and one group travel more South to China. ... then Buddhism spread to Korea, Japan and Malaysia up to Sri Lanka.
The Buddhists believe in everything Hindus believe in viz kharma, dharma moksha and reincarnation which is the cycle of rebirth. However the Buddhists don't have priests, Brahmins, rituals and caste systems, etc but they do have similar chanting and burn incense sticks before the chant.
Yoga too is connected to both Hinduism and Buddhism and is associated with religious beliefs. There are about 7 to 9 different forms and you can choose which path of yoga you wish to practice without connecting it to a religion, calling it spiritual instead. I'm also confused sometimes.
Yoga and karate was practiced on the coastlines of India, was one sport so to speak. Bhodhiharma went further South and taught the Chinese karate and left Yoga behind for the Indians only. Both these forms of art are linked to meditation, some form of divinity. The hands are clasped together most times in "prayer" form, the same as yoga. You sit in exactly the same position. Sometimes both hands are stretched out offering your inner self to be free of anxiety. I remain confused about the religious connection or medium you're lifting yourself up to and perhaps convenient for most these days to say it's just spiritual. ... perhaps it's like going to gym for good healthy mental balance etc with the form of yoga chosen. I haven't practiced either - meditation or yoga.
Gym yes!

Hinduism and Buddhism are cut from the same cloth. I recently sat in meditated with the Hindu I could feel the energy it was beautiful.
as we focused on our breathing the harmony was clear the giving up of self was evident as we became peace with that ourselves and ultimately within our universe why meditation is the best part of my day of course I don't believe in a deity Supreme Being I do believe in the indomitable human spirit that the human mind is capable of greatness peace and contentment and that we have a lot more control over ourselves than most people admit how I feel is a choice how I breathe is a choice what I think is a choice this recognition is the first step toward free will and the responsibility that goes with it

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As far as I can tell, I "live without a spiritual life".

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You can not be truly atheist and truly Buddhist, but that's mostly semantic because these world views are contradictory, therefor logically incompatible. You can be agnostic and practice any religion, because that just means that you accept that you don't know which if any religion is correct.

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The question should be does it make you feel less of an Athiest and does it really matter. Why ask others their opinion about you unless you need validation. What does Budda say about the need to define your beliefs by what others think? As noone knows what is true, do what makes you happy.

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Yes, it is possible but why would you want to? When I first became a Christian as a teen it was not because I was looking for some guidance or looking for anything to worship. It was because I was taught about god and they knew there is only "one true god." I wanted to carry this idea into the ministry and "save the lost" but in time that idea became redundant. Along with it was the very idea of a spiritual life because that term goes back into concepts of religion.

BUT if what you are doing gives you solace without the ill fated promise of being with a creator forever and ever if you are a good boy, then more power to you. Being firmly planted in the here and now with peace of mind is a great gift.

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