As I state in Saving Gaia, our only chance is an epiphany, a change in consciousness. To my mind everyone in the world has to change the way they think. Not in terms of money but in terms of what's best for the planet. From the book, the national motto much change from "In God we trust" to "In Reason we trust."

Think of the trade-off our leaders are asking us to make: Our comfort and life of luxury for all life on the planet, all future life on the planet, and the destruction of the natural world. That's a pretty stupid trade-off that I think everyone can agree. I've compared President Trump to an ostrich with its head buried in the sand. It's time to take his head out and see what's going on. Your Three Monkeys comparison is in the same vein.

We agree. Your re-expressing my views. I'd forget about humans migrating to another planet. The sense of loss, for me anyway, would be too much to endure.

What do you think of my scorn for oil company execs? This whole predicament could have been avoided going back to the '60s. They're more evil than any other creature that ever walked the Earth. The Nazis were guilty of genocide, killing a minority population. Rex Tillerson and gang are guilty of Omnicide, the killing of everything.

Why?

@Amisja There is no precise scientific data supporting the claims.

@zesty what kind of data would change your mind?

Are you for real?
You're going to assert that climate change is "socialist misinformation"?
Seriously???

That's one of the most stupid fucking things I've seen someone post on here.
Let me guess, you think the Earth is flat, and vaccinations give kids autism, too.

You've just exposed yourself as being deliberately ignorant.
Shame on you.

Science is NOT about political dogma.
The science is REAL.

It seems that anything you disagree with is somehow "socialist"!

@Dietl Highly correlated measurements out of the noise floor.

@Dietl, @KKGator Ms Gator, please try to be civilized, no matter how complicated it is for you!

@zesty Can you be a bit more specific? I don't know what you mean by "noise floor".

@Dietl The part of a stochastic signal where the autocorellation function is time delay independent in wide range.

@zesty My question was more about what kind of measurements you want. I can give you data set about my steady increase in body fat and the correlation between my eating habit but we are talking about climate change. So what is it? A rise in global temperature? The correlation between green house gases and global temperature? Our impact on the amout of those gases in the atmosphere? Computer simulations done by experts which make reliable predictions?

@zesty Yeah, by all means, go get yourself a place right on the coast. Any coast. Please. Like right on the beach.

@KKGator I live on the ocean beach, smart one.

@KKGator, @Dietl Not cross- but auto correlation of measured temperatures.

@zesty Good.

@zesty I can't tell if you are serious or not (okay, maybe I can ). Autocorrelation is a mathematical tool to analyze(!) data. So what are you implying here? That the data of the scientist is correct but their interpretations aren't?
Do you want to say that the measurements of the global temperatures are flawed? Please don't be so cryptic. It makes it seem that you want to hide behind jargon.

@Dietl The climate scientists themselves acknowledged measurement data falsification. This is an important fact. So the data is incorrect. We don't have a generally accepted definition of" global temperature." This is something interesting, too. Also, the measured values don't show an ergodic, stochastic empiric behavior at all. Consequently they fail even the first order random signal test criterions for validity. The atmospheric cell sizes for modeling were incredible large, resulting in highly inaccurate predictive modeling such as Kalman or Schultz predictions.

Science is used by the politicians and viceversa may be looked as politics, but it is not so called politics: It is liability of all to combat.

The data is that a nation that is releasing maximum heat absorbing gases to the atmosphere.

@zesty Fine. I don't know why you couldn't just say from the start that you think the data and that the analysis of that data is incorrect. We could discuss why I think you are wrong. We could discuss why you think the majority of scientists disagree with you but I think you probably have had that discussion before. You believe in a global conspiracy by scientists to reduce green house emmision in order to do what? Socialism? Can you connect the dots for me here?

@Dietl Here's just one area of concern, shoreline encroachment. In the photo you can see a town in Washington State literally disappearing. The same thing is happening all over the world. And shoreline disappearance is only area of concern.

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@Dietl Very true. Corporate oligarchs are controlling public opinion through propaganda and advertising and other means of mind control. All so they can make more money.

@Aristopus I already know that climate change is happening. It is undenyable at this point. What interests me is how the minds of those people denying it work and how you can change them. Right now I am still trying to find out if @zesty really believe this and has constructed an intricate justification or if she is just playing a politics game and doesn't care if what she says makes no sense. In the former case there might be hope (not much probably) and in the latter talking with her is just a waste of time.

@Dietl No global conspiracy, lol. Just the well known national grant awarding procedures. Had a few of them.

@zesty But don't you think disproving an established theory would get you a grant? So wouldn't scientists be incentivised to disprove climate change?

@Dietl It is much more complicated. I won many NIH grants for my research work and the system is super liberal and leftist.

@zesty So it IS a global conspiracy. There is a "liberal agenda" that is globally enforced, right?
What is liberal/leftist about climate change happening?

@Dietl Who benefits? For sure not the civilized countries. The real polluters which will keep polluting. China - the most inhumane country, India - the most corrupt place and Russia- the most brutal one. Great company for Bernie and Cortez. Congrats!

@zesty So China, India and Russia are influencing scientific institutions to spread the "climate lie"? To what end? Hurt the US economy? Doesn't it bother you that the US is the second biggest polluter in the world (after China who has double the emissions but four times as many people)? And the point about this whole "brouhaha" is that big companies STOP polluting. Why are you against that?
The US apparently is counted as a "civilized country" in your book. Well I and some children in your concentration camps will disagree with that assertion.
Bernie and Cortez, huh? I thought we were talking about science. What do they have to do with this? Do they also play a part in this grand scheme?

@Dietl All these countries obviously want to hurt the US. We help everybody and all these assholes are so jeleous! The US pollutes a bit but we know what to do and how to do it. Nobody else does.

@zesty You sound like a cult member. Help everybody? How delusional are you? Sorry, but you obviously have not the slightest glue about US history. I don't think it is worth continuing to talk. You see science through your political lense and I don't think I can change that.
Just to make my opinions clear. I think climate change is real. There is enough data to support it and the only alternative opinion out there comes from people who are either not even scientists or bought by big multinational corporation who want to maximize profit. Government regulation could make pollution less profitable but that would mean less profit for a small group of people. Nothing about this is controversial in any way. Renewable energy sources could make the world a better place but smooth brains like you vote even dumber people into office who don't care about anything but their own pockets. People like you make the world worse. I hope you either change for the better or become more and more marginalized.

@Dietl Oh, thank you for all the advices Smart One. Just to please your liberal majesty I'll change for the better. If your great compatriot Hitler was alive today he would be an excellent Green activist fighting for renewable energy. Same style, same approach, same end result. Learn history!

@zesty I don't believe Hitler was much of a green activist. His last order to his generals in his dying days was to lay waste Germany itself as he did in Russia and Ukraine.

@Aristopus It was a presumed scenario, honey.