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For the life of me i don't understand how in this day and age there are still, Flat Earthers, moon landing deniers, Evolution deniers, and more of that sort of thing.

I've seen quite of vids from people debunking all kinds of wacky beliefs. But this one I though was great, he goes into depth shooting down all of the things that flerfers say. And I find it odd that all of them say the same thing, no matter how many times it's been de-bunked.

you might not think it, but I've met a few flerfers, moon landing deniers here on this site. Apparently they are everywhere.

TristanNuvo 8 July 3
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If the Earth is not flat, then explain this photo of a lunar eclipse 😀

lol. Man I got a real laugh out loud on that one. Awesome, thx .

Holly Shit! Someone finally got a picture of the real thing. All those pictures from NASA can now be seen as false. The only problem I have is where is all the stuff cats have pushed off this flat surface? Thoughts?

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Conspiracies are a highly lucrative business... and we are all vulnerable to being scammed. I have worked the Night Shift for 28 years and made it through the long 12 hour shifts for many years by listening to Art Bell's syndicated overnight call in radio show. It was highly entertaining and always good for many laughs. Art was a master at his ability to converse with all of the wackos awake very late at night. I would think many are familiar with Art Bell - but if not I would suggest a Google search and maybe some time listening to some audio archives. I remember an episode with a caller that had trapped a spirit with a Bug Zapper and kept it in a spare room in his house. Jesus would call on occasion and he had several regular guest experts in Ghosts, shadow people, psychics, fake moon landing, time travel, Illuminati, UFO's, military Black Opps, stealth Aircraft research, HARP, Roswell crash history, Area 51, and believe it or not it was Art Bell that first broke the Y2K story nation wide... I remember clearly the very first show in 1998 about Y2K and his "expert" explaining the end of civilization - as we know it - would happen at 12 midnight on New Years eve 1999. Art Bell even stayed live over the Internet for 24 hours starting on New Years Eve following the events as they occurred around the earth - it turned out to be quite boring. I remember the city of Anchorage and the state of Alaska along with most of the United States had prepared in advance along with the hospital where I worked with emergency resources and priorities in place "just in case" everything stopped working at midnight. I had to report for work on New Year's Day along with other hospital employees to reboot all computers and report any problems. I took out $200 cash from the bank as all ATMs were predicted to crash. I had extra canned foods stored along with survival crackers and my car had a full gas tank - "just in case" and many people were more prepared... I believe the whole country was scammed - and it is still going on - just look at our political situation - I think many smart people learned much from what Art Bell promoted in the form of entertainment. Art Bell was a masterful modern day P.T. Barnum - and it is true... "A sucker is born every minute."

@josh_is_exciting - I agree and look at all of the Con-Artist Evangelical preachers bilking there followers out of their life savings... Although I do separate Art Bell from Alex Jones - Alex like Rush Limbaugh built his fan base on hate speech - Art specifically rejected racism and he married 2 Filipinos. Art was in it for the entertainment value - like any good magician he knew it was all fake - but played along...

@Hebert54 - yes I did and I considered myself a Tech Nerd and thought I understood the ramifications of Memory Allocation in computer logic... it made logical sense on a Nerd level - Ha!

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Was watching something a few mnths ago and they reckon it was more of a being a member of a group thing more thqn the belief. Lonely people looking for other people to bond with the "beliefs" are just something to talk about ......pretty much like this website .

They could join the church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster...they could make friends, wear a colander as a hat for their drivers license photo and eat a lot of great pasta,

@LB67 I joined the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and I have not heard from any others, Apparently, I am the only member? I am on fire this morning, sarcasm for all!!!

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Ha. That's a good one. took a look at that site, they have a lot of great ones. thanks for turning me on to them.

@TristanNuvo You're welcome

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There are over 7 billion homo-sapien brains on this planet and no two are wired exactly the same so it is to be expected that there will be a wide range of thoughts, beliefs, ideas, realities, cultures, customs, etc. Liberals don't understand conservative thinking, conservatives don't understand liberal thinking, a-theists don't understand theist thinking and theists don't understand a-theist thinking as two examples.

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In part its a religious argument. Many flat earthers claim Satan tries to deceive us by tricking people into not trusting their own senses. "We can see the earth is flat, it's Satan that tries to convince us it's round so we won't believe in the truth God gave us." These fundies also claim the earth go be 4000 yrs old and that Satan is trying to deceive us into believing it to be older and believing in evolution. Basically Satan is science. Which works actually since Satan is the one who got eve to eat from the tree of knowledge in the myth of the original sin. Their book says Satan is the deceiver, but what if the book was written by the deciples of the deceiver? If the deceiver told the story wouldn't he cast himself as the victor? Wouldn't he claim to be the truth, the one to thank for creation, the one we owe?

Wow man that’s meta ironical and tripping me out.

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Young Earth Creationism is another one to add to the list. A surprisingly recent phenomenon, apparently.

I suspect a big part of the appeal of Flat Earth belief is that it 'proves' the existence of God on the basis that something that convoluted could only exist through intelligent design. If you accept that gravity is real (and that everything produces it, in proportion to its mass) then a lot of arguments for intelligent design go out of the window. Roughly spherical planets can simply form over time when matter in space gravitates together to form large masses. No gods required.

Just how many people are in on the conspiracy now? Sailors and scholars, back in the day. But now anyone who flies long haul aircraft or works with satellite technology (broadcasting or GPS) must be part of the cover-up, too. Surely someone would have blown the lid off it by now.

Oh, and "Australia doesn't exist, but South America does." I'm still trying to get my head around that one.

To me the one that I actually take offence to is the moon landing, or space deniers.
some of the greatest minds gathered, and some even gave their lives to farther that whole field of exploration.

@TristanNuvo Or did they? 😉

Playing devil's advocate here, but "some of the greatest minds..." sounds a lot like "Jesus died for your sins." Challenging accepted facts is a good thing (as long as you're willing to accept the results with a reasonably open mind.) Danger lies on the path where we shut people down as 'disrespectful' for even daring to question. That's the path that organised religion would take.

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For years I thought flat earthers were just spoofs, kind of like The Liers club. I didn't really think people could be that stupid. But then you look at the number of Mormons, Scientologists and all the rest of the folks following superstitions.

I did the same.

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I would strongly suggest you stop paying attention to assholes. If more of us did that, they would likely get less media attention & blow away. (Do you hear that, Donald Trump)

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Their are still people that believe that the holocaust never happened either

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I have only met one person who was a flat earther (he no longer is ), and according to him, the reason he believed it was because he just couldn't think of a single reason that any of it was wrong, so after being hounded with all of their bad logic and false proofs, he concluded that it must be correct.

Although this speaks nothing of the type of people who come up with this kind of stuff and spread it around, it goes to show that information, especially the interpersonal type, can sometimes be relative. Those who have little or no critical thinking skills due to a lack of development or necessity are prone to believing whatever other people say even when it is absolutely ridiculous. They aren't insane, they just prefer to import information.

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Loved this video and his snark...excellent and simple

I agree, his attitude had me chucle a few times.

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This was great, even though I missed part of it after he pointed out the ocean doesn't have wings, I was laughing too hard!

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My bet is that the church has a LOT to do with it . . . . they want to discredit science, and they do not care if that means lying, because the alternative is that they will eventually have to stop being the parasites that they are when people stop giving them their tax-free dollars.

THHA Level 7 July 3, 2019
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Here on earth, we do not have the technology, the ability, to send a human into Fukushima, or into Chernobyl. We cannot physically send a human being into either one of those locations in any way shape or form, without them dying shortly thereafter.
The Van Allen radiation belts that surround our planet have just as much radiation and more, and more types, then they radiation inside of Fukushima or Chernobyl.
So therefore, it is absolutely positively impossible that we sent anybody to the Moon.
Learn, apply logic and reason, and examine the results.

Yes, we wouldn't send people into Fukushima or into Chernobyl with a space shuttle.

Ugh. you are one of them.

@motrubl4u Yep, I said so in my post. there are more than this one as well.

It's easy enough to google it, but NASA employed some sensible and doable tactics to prevent the astronauts from being subjected to too much radiation. It had to do with flying through thin areas of the belts and at great speed, and of course the space craft were shielded. Simple. They ended up getting about the amount of radiation that a couple of CT scans deliver. Not lethal.

@Piece2YourPuzzle lol oooohhhh so you're saying that we do not have the technology, the knowledge, or the experience, to build suits for people to be able to go in two nuclear disaster sites to aid in the cleanup, but magically, we have all of the above to build rockets to 'safely' get through the Van Allen radiation belts and to build suits to walk on the moon with..... Cool story. LOL

@charliemmann Two completely different situations with two completely different vessels emerging themselves into two completely different environments. You can't use the same plan for both of them. The plan of being shielded in a space suit inside a space shuttle and the trajectory and location of going through the Van Allen belt at a certain speed is not the same as walking into a steady concentrated radiation "soup" with just a suit. What would be the purpose of humans going into Fukishima or Chernobyl when you can just send in robots to gauge measurements or collect something anyway? Traveling to the moon was a lot more exploratory on a mass never visited before that could have potentially shown us something more than we knew.........and relatively safer.

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I know you will just dismiss this as a conspiracy and lies though:

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Radiation, of course, also poses a human risk. Astronauts are subject to lifetime radiation limits from their time in space, to reduce any risk of cancer. Since only a few dozen people have spent six months or longer in space, however, it will take decades to understand the long-term effects of radiation on humans.
The astronauts on the ISS do not regularly spend time inside the belts, but from time to time solar storms expand the belts to the orbit of the space station. In the 1960s, several Apollo crews went through the Van Allen belts on their way to and from the moon. Their time in that radiation-intensive region, however, was very short, in part because the trajectory was designed to pass through the thinnest known parts. With more study, astronauts can be better protected for long-term stays in Earth orbit.
"We study radiation belts because they pose a hazard to spacecraft and astronauts," said David Sibeck, the Van Allen Probes mission scientist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland, in an August 2016 NASA statement. "If you knew how bad the radiation could get, you would build a better spacecraft to accommodate that."
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A lot of the deniers are just looking for attention.

I figured as such. I'm sure there are there only to troll.
It's just sad to me that there are also those that eat that stuff up with out doing any research themselves.

@TristanNuvo A lot of it may just be anti-establishmentism, on the part of those who resent being excluded from the establishment.

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Exactly. its as though the more information is freely available the more people bury themselves in myths and conspiracy theories.

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There are certainly insane people among us who think this, but I think that the overwhelming majority of them do it as a tongue-in-cheek trolling of society. They simply enjoy throwing the shit out there just to watch the scientifically minded people who value the truth get angry about it. I have met a surprising amount of immature people who get their kicks getting other people annoyed or upset.

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I think that a lot of flat earthers are simply indulging in an elaborate joke, some may be serious but not all.

Here is quite a good overview of the history, if you forgive the annoying add at the start.

@backwardsman Fine with me.

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Have you watched the Netflix documentary "Behind the Curve"? It gives a good (implicit) explanation for why all these things persist. Part of me empathizes with people who have these "wacky beliefs".

Buxx Level 7 July 3, 2019

I didn’t know that was on Netflix. Thanks for the heads up.

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I get the frustration with the conspiracy theorists. I’m starting to think however that we are missing something about the flat earthers. The things they say are just so incredibly stupid I am now leaning towards believing we are being plunked in a way. Once in awhile you’ll catch them saying “see for yourself” or some such recommendation to not just believe what you’re told. Maybe it’s an elaborate ploy to get people to look into science and engage in critical thinking. Because if you do look for self it’s easy to see the world is a sphere.

There may be some truth to what you say, but I fear that truth is far smaller than you suspect. We're living in a time where many people think they can make up their own alternative facts. They think this makes them as smart or smarter than actually smart people.

@greyeyed123 That is s very good point

@Geoffrey51 I think people often think of "science" as dependable magic. And that that magic could change at any time if the scientists decided it should. So these people just decide in their own heads that they will change it. And (in their own heads) that's what they do.

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I watched the whole video and I am sorry to see that all the scientific books I have, over two hundred on various topics, are lying to me. Such a waste of money and all I had to do was watch one video. Every one knows there is no such thing as Gravity, the Earth sucks. Thoughts?

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I wonder if there was a similar wave of voluntary ignorance when the printing press came into common use.

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And: deniers that "men are not women just by claiming they are."

The science imbeciliacs are not confined to any group.

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I had never understood or believed in a flat earth. People who have to lie to "prove" something are insecure about what they believe. Often making wild reasons that NASA is hiding the "truth" is hilarious.

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