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For those still troubled by religion.

Think back over the years which formed your thinking patterns and all the people who influenced you at all. There may be quite a few individuals involved. Think through the sort of person who would have automatically assumed that you would have believed in God. Or the sort of person that may have discouraged you from trusting in science or any form of education. Once you have a collection then try to identify the most influential.



My theory [not thought up by me] says that if you can look back as an adult and defeat all of their arguments ( even having a ‘ conversation ’ with a dead relative or boss), then you will not be troubled about religion ever again. That is, if it is ONLY you that is now in charge.

Can you identify/name the most influential person?
Have you really defeated them?

If you are not troubled by religion then you have obviously been through all the processes above with success. Well Done.

Mcflewster 8 Sep 4
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Really oldemarkt video

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As a teen I defeated all their arguments for religion.

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sorry, but "if you're not... then you have obviously been through...." doesn't apply to me. i've been an atheist since age 15 and never had to defeat anything or anyone. i just realized there were no gods. it wasn't traumatic, no one had been laying religion on me and my realization had nothing to do with religion, actually. i just had reason (unconnected with religion) to examine everything i believed at one point, and god went out the window pretty fast. that's all.

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Good agnostic upbringing.

@Mcflewster jewish, actually, and i had believed, in a general sense (not as if there was something i had to DO about it, or any punishment for NOT believing, but just sort of taking for granted) in a personal god. we were secular, never went to shul; i didn't have a bat mitzvah ceremony. we had a strong sense of jewish identity but i don't remember ever discussing god, or religion itself for that matter. bible? what bible? i was sort of left on my own. so i ended up with no particular hostility toward judaism; i still rather like it, and i enjoy much about it. i can take the god thing as fabulous and enjoy the humanistic side. there is no fire and brimstone there. it's not as if i go to shul except during the high holy days, as they're called, and maybe passover (nice food). that's not even every year (my health is bad). so i can enjoy the experience on those rare occasions.

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@genessa I am glad that you have two schemes of existence and I am sure you do no harm by doing that - but if ever you WANT to decide between the two I hope that you can do that.

@Mcflewster oh, there is no decision to be made, and no two schemes. what are the two schemes? i have nothing to give up. why shouldn't an atheist have a nice meal and listen to a sermon about recycling, and hear some nice songs? i don't understand what's wrong with that. it's not as if someone is forcing me to believe something i don't believe, or do something i don't want to do. if i don't feel well or don't want to go (once or twice every one or two years) i just don't. no sweat. it's not like a habit or something!

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@genessa There is no reason at all why you should not continue as you are. Sorry if I suggested otherwise.

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I do not need to argue with them or defeat them, since I escaped. My anger with them is not for me, but for all those they did delude and continue to delude, and especially for all those who are still being kept in an unnatural endless childhood without the chance to engage in life's most fulfilling process, that of learning.

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My mother was the religious leader in our family and I was taught to fear, and ignore, any science that conflicted with religious beliefs. The hardest part for me was realizing that she was wrong. However, it was also the best part for me as I no longer had to worry about good people going to hell (whatever that eternal punishment might be) or wonder why God chose to not answer so many prayers.

My mother now has dementia, something she was certain her god was going to protect her from getting. She also has chronic pain. She came over the other day (I live next door to my parents) and was in a lot of pain. She was saying she didn't know how she could go on and just wants to die.

While lying on my sofa and looking toward the ceiling, she called out, "I don't know why god won't help me!" This broke my heart; and all I could think was "it's because there is no god." And, if there were one, able to help but refusing to do so, it is certainly not worthy of any worship.

I'm so sorry that you and your parents are going through this.

Very sad situation for you and your mom. Please take care of yourself through all this difficult time.

I am sad to hear this story. I have a son who has pain probably for mental health reasons- he does NOT have dementia. I have been trying to use Human inspired methods to decrease the pain e.g. relax etc. It is not easy but she is asking for Human help and I know she can get it.

I hope everything works out for you!

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I don't look at it as a matter of defeating anyone or their influence. Rather, I view it as a process of a process of growing up and deciding for myself who I am and will be.

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I have somehow escaped the fear and trauma that so many people endure. I think I was skeptical from the start about the hellfire & damnation school of thought, and my parents never mentioned such stuff.

We need to understand and accommodate those who lash out at religion. If I had my way the idea of hell would be banished from human consciousness. Whoever thought up that concept ought to be dug up and kicked in the ass.

There is only heaven and we are in it!

Lovely punch line !!

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The biggest trouble with religion comes from people wanting to know if I'm religious. My response is always, "God" (the parens mean if you believe in a god) had nothing to do with religion, man cooked up that scam all on his own and it has been the cause of war and human strife ever since.
As a youngster the biggest problem was going to church. At first I'd just duck out after the choir sang (I was in the choir), when that became an issue I simply stated one Sunday morning I was not going. Mom said 'go, it's good for you'. to which I responded, 'if it is so good for us why do you just drop us off at the front door?' end of my having to go to church and the beginning of my mother's nervous resentment of me. oh well.

I do not want to delve into private conversations, But is your Mum still winning? You seem to have done very well so far.

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I'm not really troubled by religion but last night I could not sleep and somehow my mind went into the nonsense and total impossibility of Noah's Ark. I can imagine the 600 year old man going after all the animals and the many, many years that would take. How would he get a lion to go with him? My mother once said I had this all wrong and that god made the animals all come to him. OK, that just made it equally impossible and added more BS.

It does pay to have deliberate non dreaming reminiscences also. Thing is to have answers ready for doubters and you mother had one ready. Did it come from her or HER mother? Perhaps winning is not the right word. I don't wish to divide any family.

@Mcflewster Probably her church.

@DenoPenno We have to break the chains somehow.

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Given that that list is 0 people then I guess, yes, I've defeated their arguments. Probably explains why I've never really been that troubled by religion.

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