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I grew up as a Christian but never felt like it was right. So I left to go to paganism for a few years and that didn't feel 100% right either. It was better than Christianity but I still didn't think worshipping ANY Gods or Goddesses felt right for me.
So many questions I pondered when I was first conceptualizing the thought of becoming an Atheopagan. I didn’t really have opportunity in my life to mull them over much, either. But circumstances forced them upon me; I left the Pagan community over issues of unethical behavior and nonsensical cosmologies, and found my life barren without the rituals and community. I was diving into study of life without religion, but with the brain, science and physical evidence.

So I had to ask myself: what, exactly, was I missing from my time in Pagan circles? Why, as an atheist, had I gravitated to them in the first place?

Some were obvious, like desire for friends and community, but some were things like sacralizing the passage of time and being in touch with the Earth’s seasonal rhythms and feeling connected to the rest of the Universe.

And then there were things I wanted that I hadn’t really found in Paganism, except in very limited forms: an articulation of values and ethics, of principles for living.

I wanted all that stuff, and some, at least, had felt like they were happening when I was circling with Pagans, but were no longer around when I stopped. My life was poorer as a result.

So as I began to think about what I wanted, I began to zero in on what its ultimate goals would be. Big goals, like greater personal happiness. Connection in community. Personal integrity. Better personal effectiveness. Contribution to a better, more environmentally and socially responsible and, ultimately, a happier world.

Big goals, for certain. But shouldn’t my choice be aspirational?

With religion: they offer “salvation” (from a mythical flaw they claim everyone carries) and heaven or Paradise or nirvana or what have you. That I can not agree with.

I don’t believe in that stuff. But I believe in moments of happiness. I believe in community and living with integrity and activism for social and environmental responsibility. I still believe that the Earth is the one that provides us life. I do believe in karma and zodiacs. I believe that there is life other than what we know here on Earth. I believe in human and animal rights and will fight for them. I DO NOT believe that that atheopaganism is a form of religion. For me religion is where you worship some invisible enity and I don't do that.

So that’s where Atheopaganism came from. It isn’t just a scientific cosmology, and it isn’t just reverence for nature. It’s one set of answers to a series of really Big Questions that are about living well and happily and helping others and the planet to do so as well. That are about a life filled with meaning, purpose, celebration and service.

Because after all, if we can achieve that, life will be good. We will reflect at the end of it and know, I had a good life.

That, I can agree with

I believe in all the principles except number 6. I don't have a religion, don't do rituals and I feel like that one should be left out.

Anyone else feel this way or am I just crazy?

kristi0889 4 Oct 2
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I completely honor your path. I used to be part of spiritual groups, and I do miss the sense community we had. I have since outgrown the need for such groups ... perhaps you will one day, too. Or not.

Whatever works for you and brings you happiness is all that matters. No one else needs to agree or understand. We’re all on our own unique journey, and no one can tell us whether the path we choose is right or wrong.

PS - I’d never heard of atheopaganism before.

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Here is what I do....

I only have faith in family and friends.

I only worship the one I love! (Position currently open)

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I have never heard of those. Thank you for sharing.

SCal Level 7 Oct 3, 2019
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I guess there are people who must believe in something.

I never knew or thought about this before.

I believe in me, my friends, a few acquaintances, my dog as far as living beings. I believe that the grocery store will have the food I am looking for. Gas stations will be open.

As far as supernatural.... nope. No santa. No ghosts. No miracles. Nada. If I can see, touch, smell, or hear something, it exists.

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Can't you just enjoy life without having to believe in something? Life is great already and we can make it even better without havong to look for a crutch to hold us. Make this world better somehow, try to leave it better than when you received it and you will live a joyous and happy life.

In reading her post, I think it’s clear that she does strongly desire/need this for her sense of purpose and well-being. It doesn’t have to be for us, and we don’t have to agree with it, but it works for her and brings her happiness. To that I say rock on.

@Apunzelle i strongly desire and need a Rolls Royce it will give me a greater sense of purpose and well being, then reality sinks in.

@Mofo1953 If that’s your thing, more power to ya. 😉

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Though I AM a 100% Atheist I still respect the Earth as being the Mother to all life upon it and the Cosmos being a kind of Father to everything within it, though going as far as worshipping either of those ideas is, most definitelty not for me since " Worshipping" anything/anyone is merely a religious ideology in my way of thinking and that is 1 thing, among many, I refuse to do.

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Have you ever read Olaf Stapletons book Star Maker? It might not be the kind of thing that you are into, and it's a little outdated but I think you might find some guidance in it anyways.

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Salvation from what? Religions do not offer me anything nor do they explain things either. I went to religion in my early teens because my parents were into it and at the time I thought it was valid. Today I see how little people really know and I do not believe all these who are "praying for you." I do not need any principals to live by or anything that guides me. I have no rulebook and I'm not lost.

Wait. let me change some of this. I am lost today because I think the entire world has went insane! I'm serious. It's hard to even have a decent conversation these days without somebody wanting to talk about the invisible man. Dead men guide them and they cannot live without him, Jebus who is his own father/son. Oh, well. I'm my own grandpa.

But I guess being pagan is OK.

That was my issue. I don't believe in any sky daddies. Nor do I think this is a religion (I could be wrong) This is a practice I can follow though. I get the paganism without the rituals and religion. I can believe in what I want to. If I want to believe in faes, fairies and unicorns then thats ok because its a practice thats based on what you believe. Basically long story short its a practice based on nature and humans rights to believe in what they want without judging others

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i don't turn to religion for any of those things, never did. i was raised a secular jew; we only went to shul for bar mitzvahs and weddings. we eventually moved away from other parts of family, not to get away from them but for dad's job advancement, so we pretty much only saw family on the occasion of such rituals, but while there was a strong sense of jewishness in the house, religion itself was all but absent. i was a lonely kid but never attributed it to lack of religion; i was small, wore glasses, carried a briefcase, came late to rock n roll and didn't have anything else in common with my peers either, plus as we moved around it was hard to make lasting friendships. still, it never occurred to me that i could make myself believe something in order to make friends, and i felt that a sense of right and wrong was already instilled in me without attaching a god or a rulebook to it. so obviously i didn't and don't feel the lack that you did/do, and don't need to find atheopaganism or any other ism. i do enjoy some jewish rituals and have attached secular significance to them, but that's something i indulge in less than annually, and for enjoyment only, and i don't feel close to any of the inevitable strangers i meet if i go to shul. i like the music, i like the sermons (i mean, jewish sermons are not about fire and brimstone; they're about treating the world and its inhabitants well), and once or less a year is cool for me. i don't think i need an organization to help me find fulfillment in my life. now politics, that's another story! but that's another story....

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I agree with them pretty well except the ritual part. I have been curious about paganism at times but never got that far into it. I’m comfortable as an agnostic at this point and most of those principles work there too. I have fellowship via he Red Cross and my volunteer work there.

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Thanks for sharing. I think that we all need some sort of "narrative" or foundation in our lives. Religion appease this for many but of course not for us. The principles you shared certainly seem like noble foundations. 🙂

Gawd Level 5 Oct 2, 2019
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You are not crazy but you are human. Human beings crave meaning. We are born without knowledge of this meaning and thus we crafted many ideas to make sense of this world. Religion is one of those ideas.

Your post reminds me of the quote " God is Dead " by Friedrich Nietzsche. Many people take the quote to mean Nietzsche was affirming that he was a proud card-carrying atheist. He was but with this quote he was also lamenting the fact that without the values of Christianity--- man must now declare his values on his own.

This sounds like the stage you are in. You are currently in the process of declaring your values. In fact, I feel as if you already have a grasp on what those values are but you are simply looking for confirmation.

As an existentialist, I believe that it is up to us to create the meaning(values) in our life. The universe is not going to answer you back.

Good Luck.

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Do we chose what we believe? I’ve never felt like it’s been a choice. I hear tell of folks thinking through their beliefs and can not quite relate.

Perhaps it’s just my interpretation of words n verbs; ‘Believe’ instead of ‘believe in’. Connotations differ slight. I don’t know.

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Pretty much what my wife believes, she thinks of herself as a druid but follows no rules or doctrine,

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Love your mother earth....Gaia gawd is more than metaphor but less than consciousness with rocks....it's not pagan it is ecosystem feelings

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The earth certainly provides us with life along with the sun.We are currently doing our utmost to make the earth uninhabitable for our species and if the mad scientists have their way they will pump chemicals into the upper atmosphere to try to alleviate the damage we are doing.
We are part of nature and should appreciate this. As for giving ourselves labels, I'm not sure if that is helpful

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I dig the idea of paganism sans any deity. The best of both worlds. I'm down.

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