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Sometimes I'm confused on what to call myself. I'm an Atheist in the sense that I 100% believe Christianity is not true, science completely has disproven Genesis because the dinosaurs came BEFORE the humans (along with many other reasons); along with all the other man made religions. I'm Agnostic in the fact that, even though I personally don't believe in it, that there 'could' be a very very very small percentage of an objective entity/force (with no religion correlated to it) does exist. Richard Dawkins was interviewed by an Agnostic reporter and the reporter asked him "well how do you really know 100%?" Dawkins then later explained in his book that there's a 7 point scale he created. 1 being total conviction and 7 being total non conviction. He put himself at a 6.5/7. That's where I'm at in regards to an objective entity or force who created everything with zero religion correlated to it. (Due to my philosophical nature). Even though that sounds crazy and I still don't believe it to be true. I have not seen this entity or have any knowledge about it.

If for some rare incident that it is proven that there is an objective entity which created everything, I am still not going to worship it and I would want to ask why are you so bored and such a jerk? 😂

What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins 7 point scale and where do you fall on it? Thanks!

vjohnson51 7 Oct 4
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I've seen and read a lot of his work. I'm gonna have to search for this myself. I'm actually pretty surprised he would take such a position. What on earth is his hold out? Does he explain that at all? To me (and to you) that idea seems crazier than Christian belief! Am I missing something? Why trade one belief for MORE outlandish one? Peculiar.

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I prefer a different definition of atheist. I choose not to believe anything without some form of valid evidence. Like the ACA I’m simply waiting to see some. Until then the question of whether there is a god is of no relevance to me. Not expecting to ever see such proof. But hey, I’m here with open mind should some become available. I was actually a stats major in grad school and I really don’t see the point of using probability here. For me god is 0% until I see definitive proof at which point it becomes 100%. That said though best to avoid labels for ourselves or others. Instead for better discussion parties should describe what they do or don’t believe up front. Your point is well taken though. The same terms are used so differently by so many.

Cinco Level 5 Oct 8, 2019
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You say, "... science completely has disproven Genesis because the dinosaurs came BEFORE the humans."

Science also explains and proves "Gravitational time dilation is a physics concept about changes in the passage of time, caused by general relativity. A clock in outer space moves more quickly than a clock on Earth. Heavy things like planets create a gravitational field that slows down time nearby. This means that a clock on a spaceship far away from any planet would move faster than a clock near Earth."

The "young Earth" observation as give by biblical creation explination would be one observer in a time dilation situation where that the creation time appears to go faster. Then, the observer merged with the speed of the observed creation and gave a report of the observation from when it appeared to be faster.

Word Level 8 Oct 7, 2019
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I think what i wanted to say is that I am an out and out atheist. But its not what defines ME. Yeah, I don't beleive in Gods. But what do I think about life, the universe, and everything.
Its a life long journey

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Call yourself whatever you feel comfortable with, that is, if you must label yourself.
People rarely go from religious to Atheist in one fell swoop.
But then also, maybe you are more than just one definition. There is actually a rabbit hole of philosophical definitions.

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I like to leave 'labeling' to those who truly NEED to label people since it seems to be one of the things that ONLY satisfies them.
Though having said that, I do DESCRIBE myself to others as being a 100% certain Atheist person with the heart and mind of both a Humanitarian and a Pacifist as well.

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The Dawkins Scale is a fundamentally flawed premise. Agnosticism is not some transition between belief and unbelief. It's a separate addressing of the question of a knowledge claim concerning deities, whereas atheism addresses the belief claim. Both conclude that no claim is possible because there is no data on which to base it, and inherently can be none when it comes to supernatural beings and realms.

When you cannot know something, you sure can't believe it.

An atheist is a person who lacks belief in any deities, including but not limited to the Christian one. It has nothing directly to do with science disproving Genesis.

An agnostic is a person who lacks knowledge of any deities, including but not limited to the Christian one ... or more accurately, who believes such knowledge is definitionally and inherently unobtainable to begin with.

Since I fit both those definitions, I am both of those things.

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I treat the idea of god the same way as I do Santa, Leprechauns, Fairies, and Big Foot.

Oh NO! You don't believe in Big Foot! Geez.

Hey, "Bigfoot/Sasquatch" did exist, that was the nickname I gave to my late, lamented daughter, Lorrae, since she, at the tender age of just 14 years, had feet that could ONLY fit into size 9 men's shoes. LOL.

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I have a 99.9 percent belief that there are no gods. Even if we discovered in the end that there was a creator it would not make that being the Christian god and also would not mean he needed to be worshiped. To fall prey to that idea is where superstition comes in. There is nothing supernatural.

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Many similar sentiments with you and Dawkins on this one. I'm not torn though. I hope science one day uncovers where the universe and big bang can't from, but I doubt when they do they'll find it's from a God-like entity. But yeah, I see exactly where you and Dawkins are coming from. I struggled with it for years.

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This becomes very technical as we move towards 7 or 100%.There is no well accepted defination of God. Then there are many philosophical question about nature of reality and how we perceive it. Only thing I am sure of is we can't be sure about anything, may be I am not sure about this too.
It is funny though that even when it is vague, what is God, people believe in it.

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A few years ago a guy put a £5 bet on with the bookmakers William Hill that Elvis would come back riding Shergar through London and win Wimbledon. They gave him odds of 10.000.000/1 but later had to call him up and get him to reduce his stake to 5p as they did not have sufficient funds to cover the bet if he won.
My agnosticism is slightly higher than that as.... Elvis did exist. Shergar`s body has never been found and someone does win Wimbledon every year.

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