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an interesting piece on how terminology is changing, and how it affects us all, religious and not -

Allamanda 8 Oct 26

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Interesting article. And what with the splinter factions of churches growing everyday coupled with the 40 to 50 different versions of the Bible, and that millennials are rejecting organized religion (for many reasons); yes -- it is on the down swing. I hope it continues, but am doubtful that man will be able to put aside his belief in something to debit or credit for things that happen.


Good read but didn't mention the rise of Islam. This country has taken in so many Muslims that eventually Islam will be the religion of the country and I'm sure Arab communities LOVE this. It is the fastest growing religion in the country.

@Allamanda I’ve not seen any studies on this, but it sounds right to me. I work with quite a few people from other Countries and I think:

  1. It’s often the more open minded people that move to western countries anyway
  2. The second generation seem much more integrated into western culture.

WOW! What a good read this is

twill Level 7 Oct 27, 2019

I guess the main thing is keeping a sense of community and connectiveness, if Christianity has been the main way this has happened in the past.
Community gardens, men’s sheds, gyms, diet clubs, games cafe’s, live music etc. become more important. In the uk the change has been more gradual, I mean they have beer festivals and dinner dances in my parent’s local church 😉 open to all.


Michelle Bachmann just knows things like this are the beginning of the "end times" but Jesus told his followers the end times started in his day and that many of his then followers would still be alive as it happened.


“Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thought-crime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it. Every concept that can ever be needed will be expressed by eactly one word, with its meaning rigidly defined and all its subsidiary meanings rubbed out and forgotten. . . . The process will still be continuing long after you and I are dead. Every year fewer and fewer words, and the range of consciousness always a little smaller. Even now, of course, there's no reason or excuse for commiting thought-crime. It's merely a question of self-discipline, reality-control. But in the end there won't be any need even for that. . . . Has it ever occcured to you, Winston, that by the year 2050, at the very latest, not a single human being will be alive who could understand such a conversation as we are having now?”


To the attached article, etc, I'd say " Wake up Amerikka, at least 80% of your troubles are deeply rooted in the mires of intolerances, bigotry, divisivenesses, etc, born and bred by Religions/religious ideologies and the sooner your nation comes to realize this the better it will be."
In my opinion, just like religions, wherever Amerikkka goes it creates a conflict, makes a desert and calls it Progress.
The time is nigh to stop Amerikkkan Democratic Imperialism, re-think, re-shape and become a Nation that this world WILL accept rather than shun.

Just curious - were you raised religious?

@skado No, my mother TRIED that and it did NOT stick, I worked things out for myself and became an Atheist from around 8 years of age and still am an Atheist.
Why do you ask.

I was just curious what church it was because the church I was raised in taught just the opposite.

@skado Well, she was so intent that I turn out NOT to be an Atheist like my Dad that, every time I got expelled from a Sunday School for asking questions she'd send to another church.
Within about 3 months I had been official expelled from EVERY Christian Church Sunday School in town and my Dad had every letter of expulsion that I had gotten framed and hung on the wall in the family room of the house.
I started at the Methodist Sunday School, worked my way through them all until the 'last, desperate attempt', the Catholic Sunday School, where I not only got expelled, but got 12 strokes of the cane, doused with 'holy water' and was called a Heathen, Pagan, Devil's Spawn, Heretic and more than a few other things as well.

Sorry you had such a terrible experience. No one should have to endure that kind of treatment.
I think I like your Dad!

@skado I wouldn't say it was all terrible, it was enlightening to say the least and YES, my Dad was a really great Aussie Bloke, heart of gold type, caring, teaching me everything he knew and proud of my achievement of being expelled from Sunday Schools because I DARED to question instead of merely believing.


Very interesting article


Inevitable, but not sure of the timing.


Good article, it makes me happy that I'm closer to the end of my movie then the beginning.


What a load of crap. How does a decline in Christianity lead to a rise in racism. When the hate filled rhetoric and the most violence against minorities comes from self proclaimed Christians. Terminology is constantly changing.

That is just the theist spiel that they constantly proclaim.

@Allamanda Yep. Our problem in this country is urban vs rural, not Christianity vs secularism, and that is only going to get worse. This is what will change our country much more than a decline in Christianity. Even in national politics it won't change much because of the electoral college and the fact red states outnumber blue states by a bunch.

@Allamanda The religious right has been this ugly for as long as I have been alive and long before that. This country is driven by money and little else. We have a saying, "no matter the question, the answer is always follow the money. Everything else is a sideshow.

@Allamanda We have so many different Christian sects in the U.S., and all quite large, I don't know how they will do that, but you are right, they do need to.

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