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I had a revealing discussion with a group of Trump supporters last weekend. I went to an outdoor art festival with my ex-wife, my best friend of 30 years, his wife and his brother-in-law. I was the only one there who was not a Trump supporter so, naturally, the conversation wandered to politics.

I was outnumbered so I decided to pick their brains and get some firsthand answers from the source as to why they approve of this shitstain as president. Let me condense this as much as possible.

  • I asked them how they tolerate all of his lies. They responded he doesn't lie, the media lies about him telling lies.

  • I asked them hoe they tolerate his corruption, they responded he's not only not corrupt but that his policies are what's best for the country.

  • I asked them how they tolerate his incompetence and stupidity, they responded I was talking out my ass and that he's a brilliant man, a great leader and the savior of our nation.

At this point my head was reeling from how uninformed they were and how completely taken in they had been by the steady diet of 24/7 pro-Trump propaganda they fed on from Fox News -- all of them were ardent viewers.

Then I asked the question I was most curious about -- why do they hate the democratic socialism that Bernie and Warren both stand for? The answer was amazing.

In a nutshell: ALL socialism will lead to the fall of the republic and we'll all be reduced to waiting in bread lines and eating dogs to survive. That was the actual answer.

When I pointed out that these candidates simply wanted to expand currently existing social programs like the Fire Dept., Medicare, and Social Security to include healthcare and education, it was dismissed. ANY attempt at ANY form of socialism WILL lead to the collapse of society, bread lines and dogs for dinner.

This is the closest I've ever come to being at a Trump rally. There's just no getting through to these people. They truly are brainwashed.

Sgt_Spanky 8 Oct 30
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This is the reason. Trump supporters think that Adam and Eve were White Americans. Ha. Seriously. Deep inside their warped minds, in their subconsciousness, they see Adam and Eve as real and they think that Adam and Eve were White Americans. This gives them justification for shitting on Black Americans and anyone else that they see outside their "Christian Romanticism." I explain this a lot better in a book that I am writing. Nevertheless, that's what is deep inside their subconsciousness. Thus, they rationalized away any character defects of Trump. In fact, as Romantics, they do not care if Trump lies, cheats, steals or even murders, as long as he does so in-favor of them and disfavor to "others.' This is an ends-justifies-the-means attitude. So, once again, for them, morality is not the issue. Trump can be immoral. They are cool about that, as long as Trump supports their Christian Romantic Nazi Agenda. If Trump could push a magic button and kill all the "other" peoples of the world, he would do it in a heartbeat. If Trump put a Cross on the White House lawn, they would go insane with "spiritual" ecstasy. On the other hand, if Trump loses the next election, it will be some kink of plot by the evil Satanist Democrats, and then the guns will come out. Seriously. The interesting irony of all this madness is that Jesus was actually a Liberal not a Conservative. There are many verses in the New Testament to support Jesus' Liberalism. Anyway, these Trumpsters are crazy. Don't kid yourself.

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YouTube Andrew Yang, he is the political domino that needs to fall in order for the % to start climbing. Secular Scientificly litterate(Dad was a Physicist, Mum a mathematician), appeals to Christians by having a Christian wife and 2 children being raised Christian, and his platform is basically standing on the shoulders of Reverend Martin Luther King, the greatest hero the U.S Christian left has. His presidency will rock the world and accelerate the rise of logic and reason by putting into the seat of the highest office in the world.

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If they watch a steady diet of Fox News they've been brainwashed!!!!!!

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I hope your brain's recovered from that awful TRAUMA! How on earth did you remain civil?

These are people dear to me. I consider them to be the victims of a cult. I'm just waiting it out til Trump is gone.

@Sgt_Spanky 5 more years

@Sgt_Spanky you're right-it's a friggin cult!

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That is beyond scary. They do not even have a coherent argument for supporting him? I can not imagine being so limited in my ability to think logically and sift through the facts. That is sad and I am sorry that you had to see that about people you are fond of.

These are people I love. It breaks my heart to see how mislead they've allowed themselves to become on this one issue.

@Sgt_Spanky I am truly sorry. Nothing you can do. Are they open to reading or no?

@GreatNani Like all Trumptards, their minds are cemented on this. All I can do is wait for that orange cancer to be gone so this all becomes just a bad memory.

@Sgt_Spanky Sorry, but you are the one that's confused

@Sgt_Spanky Yes that is about it. The craziness is mind boggling. I have been to many socialized countries and no one is on a bread line!

@GreatNani Been to Venezuela?

@gater 1 out of how many? Japan, Scandinavia, Scotland all socialized to some extent and no bread lines, free health care and less violence as well.

@GreatNani Those aren't true socialist countries.

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That’s terrifying

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It's even worse than you say. It can't simply be blamed on Fox news. I occasionally watch Fox news because I watch all the news channels. Even Fox news gives some balanced reporting except when it comes to their biased editorial pieces. This means that the people you refer to live in their own internally reinforced paranoid, conspiracy-laden, isolated reality bubble and probably consider Fox news to be too liberal.

So was this "somewhere in Florida"? Maybe in the panhandle?

I live in the east central part of the state near Kennedy Space Center, most of Florida is like this. 45 took this county by 20 points in 2016. A friend from New England once remarked that," One is either in Miami or Alabama".

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I know what you mean. I recently posted about my last attempt to argue with a Trumpite..my oldest brother. All I got was to be mocked, everything I brought up about Trump was "fake news" put out by lying Democrats trying to discredit him.

And my brother is a nuclear physicist, so not exactly unintelligent. I thought. Or maybe he is.

He's not. I know a number of clearly intelligent people who, on this one issue, have no active braincells. That includes the people I talked about above. They're good, smart people who are idiots about this Trump thing. It's a bewidering disconnect.

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What we here is a failure to communicate - values, truth, alternative understandings of the same facts, even what the facts are. It is astounding

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The thing they don't understand, and the way you convince them ( and the way I try to convince you of your error ) is to point out that trump IS the socialist.

The thing that all the pro-democratic socialists don't understand is that there beliefs, although in some regards diametrically opposed to what trump wants is exactly what puts people like him in power.

Increased social spending does not equate to socialism. Socialism is an economic system where the workers own the production and make business choices for that business jointly. Think more energy cooperatives or companies that give their employees stock options. Social programs are technically state capitalism, because the state controls that distribution and therefore has the right and power to do what it wants with it. The reason some tasks are best if handled by the state is mostly because they provide a joint benefit, such as in the case of the military or infrastructure without being profitable, thus they are unlikely to be made the subject of businesses.

@slydr68 Alright, I'm just going to put this out there because I think all the "Republican = retard" and/or "Liberal = retard" rhetoric is absolute nonsense. You can train a dog to behave in a certain way because humans are almost exclusively more intelligent than dogs. So why then, can't liberals make republicans see there viewpoint and vice versa?

Maybe it's because they aren't much less intelligent than average, such that any overlap would only be statistically significant over large data sets.

In fact, all the studies that show a positive correlation between intelligence and more liberal beliefs show a different trend when you actually look at the correlation between individual policy preferences and general intelligence. Lower IQ individuals tend to support more extreme viewpoints and more intelligent individuals tend to support greater personal freedoms and lower government regulation. ( Gerber, Huber, Doherty, Dowling, & Ha, 2010 ) Because there seems to be a contradiction in the data, we can conclude that the relationship between intelligence and political belief is to complex for simple labels.

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This is why I truly believe that really bad things are coming.

So long as Trump and the Rs are in power, the sky's the limit as to how bad it could get.

@Sgt_Spanky I also believe that many of his supporters will cause very serious problems when he's removed. There are most definitely some very
seriously mentally ill people mixed in there, and they will react badly.
People are going to be harmed, innocent and otherwise.
It's far more a matter of "when" than "if".

@KKGator I completely agree. There will be violence. The unstable and disaffected are almost exclusively Trumptards. He appeals to them because if a mouth breathing moron like him can be president, maybe they can aspire to greatnes and become, I don;t know, night mnangaer at a Circle K.

If you aren't scared you're not paying attention.

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Take comfort on the fact that 51% of the country want him impeached and removed. Shows that some Trump supporters may have supported him in the beginning but have changed their minds due to his behavior.

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they are worse off and more misguided than the most Ardent Christian. Christians have no evidence to believe yet still do. Trump supporters have a mountain of evidence indicating this man's rancid character and overlook it in favor of their own stupidity.

That's an astute observation. 👍

Both GOProbots AND Christians develop blinders to avoid seeing contradictions to their views. They choose to live in a bubble and to maintain its purity.

@racocn8 one group sees what is not, one group doesn't see what is.

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Propaganda does work and this is a great illustration of it. Deregulation has allowed the rich to buy up much of the media to propagandize us into idiocy..

exactly right. people are easy. you get them all scared and worked up and angry, then promise safety and justification for their false Pride. you can make them believe anything.

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Trump is not perfect, but hes the best man for the job. If Hilary had been elected this country would be a mess.

gater Level 7 Oct 30, 2019

You so funny!

It certainly would have been a continuation of the same mess

Please provide a logical basis for your statement that Trump is "the best man for the job". Take into account that NO other candidate, Democrat or Republican, would likely have:

-Used the office to enrich their personal corporation by having foreign delegations staying at their own hotels (and most recently proposed hosting the G7 at a resort they personally own) in violation of the emoluments clause

-Insulted our NATO allies while cozying up to foreign despots

-Started a trade war with China, which we are in fact losing; we are financing our own farmers for the losses they are sustaining due to sales they no longer make to China, for just one instance where the trade war isn't working as anticipated

-Declared victory over ISIS and pulled out of Syria, against the advice of every military leader

These are all actions which, had Hilary Clinton, for instance, taken them, would have you calling for her immediate impeachment. But you forgive Trump everything, because you have willfully blinded yourself to everything he does.

@Paul4747 lol - have you ever been accused of being "long winded"?
So record unemployment and a record stock market mean nothing to you? Take off your rose colored glasses, Hilary is an idiot, and Bill is a predator - the Dems are morons for ever backing her.

@gater Answer his questions.

Now it's my turn to be long-winded. Ready?

This record unemployment you reference is primarily low paying, deadend jobs. We know this because wages have remained flat for the last 40 years and still are. Do you think everyone is suddenly making $80K and up under the boundless generosity of King Trump? That unemployment figure represents Walmart greeters, ticket takers, waiters, and counter service employees. Jobs like that.

The stock market is for people who already have the money to gamble with. It doesn't represent the middle-class and it no measure of an economy's overall fiscal health. Y'know what is; everyone making more money. How much richer have you become under Trump? Have you bought that new Lexuus, or a ski boat, or a bigger, better home? How much of a raise did you get at work and how mych fatter is your bank account under Trump? If you're rich, you've made millions under him, if not, you;ve done no better.

All Repub policies benefit corporations and the wealthy only. That's not just my opinion, look up their policies over the last 40 years and see it for yourself.

Wake up fool.

@Sgt_Spanky Trump being elected is one of the best things that's ever happened to this country. Listen to your family - you are clearly the slow one of the group.

@gater Annnd there's all the stupid and ignorance I expected. No answers to anything, just "I love Trump. You dumb."

@gater Bill Clinton is an accused sex predator, but his relationship with Monica Lewinsky was consensual for her part (as much as it could be with an intern), she never alleged coercion that I have heard of. Certainly Bill never, for example, walked into the dressing room at a beauty pageant or bragged about his ability to sexually assault women with impunity, on camera with a reporter.

More importantly, as President, he balanced the budget and even got us a surplus, which your party then squandered with tax cuts for the rich. He never claimed that tax cuts magically bring in double or triple the revenue. And Clinton knew more than his aides, on any topic. He took care to bring in very smart people and then studied not only what they gave him, but reached out and read up on the topic until he knew things even beyond the scope of their briefings. Whereas there is every indication that Trump doesn't even listen to or read the briefing because he thinks he knows it all already. The key difference is that with Clinton it is intelligence and curiosity; with Trump, mere ego.

And, as @Sgt_Spanky said, you avoided the entire question. Moreover, you once again demonstrated your double standard. You bring up Bill Clinton as a sex predator and ignore Trump's much longer record of the same- I guess he gets a pass because he's your sex predator? You insult Hilary Clinton with a mere word; well, Yale doesn't give out law degrees for being an "idiot". Maybe the Trump University does- where did The Donald graduate again? Oh, right- BS from Fordham. You would think a degree in economics would have taught him how foreign trade works... guess not.

No, no-one has ever accused me of being long-winded. I am very thorough, however, when running down someone on the Internet who is full of shit. If you have a logical reason for your views, I'd love to hear it. Otherwise, what I'm hearing is the same as The Donald's economics degree. BS.

@Sgt_Spanky Well, not exactly, but yeah, that sounds about right 🙂

@Paul4747 Oh please, compare Clinton to Trump? Clinton still stands accused of rape. Hitting on interns and lying about it, had to pay off Paula Jones $850K - and how many trips did he take to Epsteins Island?
Clinton is a disgusting predator and the moronic Dems wanted him back in the White House. You people should be ashamed of your own stupidity.

@gater How can you not see the irony in what you just posted? Read it again, then read it again until you see it.

@Sgt_Spanky You mean because it was Hilary running and not Bill? Bill would be living in the White House, representing this country - he's a disgusting pig and rapist.

@gater No, that's not the irony. Read it until you fucking get it.

@Sgt_Spanky Well I can't read your fucking mind - so get over it.

@gaterYou're fucking hopeless.

@Sgt_Spanky you are moron

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In my experience of conversations with right-wingers, they are not interested in facts, evidence, reason or logic. They are loyal to the "conservative" party, based on nothing but blind faith. They will not question anything. They will not try to prove any hypothesis right or wrong. They are simple-mindedly and blindly loyal to anything muttered by a "conservative" right-winger. 😟

@CrazyQuilter I have a Trumper Friend, who has no money in the market, tell me that the stock market IS the economy

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In the movie "DownFall" propaganda minister Goebbels was quoted as saying that the nazis were only delivering the messages that the masses required them to. They were not the creators of the nightmare, only the agents of it. (Something along those lines. I don't remember exactly the wording).

IDK if this was a true statement or not, but it kind of spun my head around. Because ... .... Trump like Ali Baghdadi is only the figurehead. He's nothing. If these people think he is god and they are riding his coattails, they will be pleasantly surprised when someone else takes his place

Disclaimer: I'm not comparing Trumpsters to nazis. I'm trying to explain another angle of propoganda.

Don't bother talking politics with them Spanky. I'm sure it ruined your day. You have little to fall back on but DemocraPs.....

twill Level 7 Oct 30, 2019
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I once accused Trump of lying and was challenged to provide examples of three lies that Trump had told. My answer was "I do"
Last I heard of that conversation.

I was asked the same thing. Trumptards are so disconnected from the reality of who/what he is they can't see the bomb exploding in front of their faces.

@Sgt_Spanky did you give any examples - his promise to release his taxes. his promise to divest his hotels or do you have a favourite example or two?

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