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I saw in the paper today that the supreme court is deciding whether to use public funds to support religious schools. Since the parents already get a tax deduction for church contributions. That amounts (in my opinion) to double dipping. And what happened to separation of church and state. who do I contact to protest all this.?

AgnoJer 5 Jan 23
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The are trying to destroy public schools. Betsy Devos has often spoken of wanting to end the public school system.

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if parents want to send their kids to be brain washed schools I don't want my tax dollars supporting dumbing down more people then we already have! If they want their children in a cult they can py out of their own pockets for it! I see too many ignorant people who went to these schools come out to stupid or messed up to see the truth when they go to real schools.

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The Satanic Temple is either contesting this currently, or if the decision is passed, then they will most likely apply to make their own religious school to make sure the scales are balanced.

trade one brain washing for another makes no sense religions push their myths not facts

@benhmiller It's not supposed to pass. The only way religious lunatics realize they are wrong, is when another "religious" institution - like The Satanic Temple - demand equal treatment and the law says they can. It's worked several times in the past.

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It is against most state Constitutions. We need to remember this country was formed over protests about taxation without representation. Now, with the churches and their tax exempt status they want representation without taxation. FFRF has fought this several times and won. Things like this will simply me more ammunition for violence in this country (which is what the religion nuts want).

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Contact Congress, they can make a specific law against it even after the Rightwing Supreme court rules to please their religious supporters.

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To hear Republican Senators talk, it looks like the Senate is about to give Trump a pass on obstruction of Congress and abuse of office (attempting to extort a foreign country to meddle in the upcoming election). And that is in the face of overwhelming evidence that the president is guilty of both charges. If the Supreme Court then goes on to allow the elimination of the barrier between church and state, then this country will be the United States of America in name only.

shows the republican cult only worships money and power from the highest bidder. I am not stupid enough to vote for their BULL SHIT NEVER HAVE!

@benhmiller
Right on bra!

@Seeker3CO
Expected what? That the Repugs would turn a blind eye? Alas, yes. But I still hold out hope that at least they will allow more witnesses and documents to be introduced into the record.

@Seeker3CO
If I were to do as the damned are bidden in Dante, i.e. "Abandon all hope ye who enter here," then I would truly be in a living hell.

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Religious schools are not public schools. Somebody needs to fix this pretty damned quick.

We are debating the question of who should fix it as I text. I hope it's Bernie.

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You need to start a group of people who are willing to protest about it, ie social media, your member of parliament, influential people, etc, etc.

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Worse than that. It clearly violates the USCON's establishment clause.

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It would be a violation of the U.S. Constitution for the government to support religious schools. A lawyer might be a good person to put a stop to such a violation.

The Supreme Court is made up of Judges that are all atterneys. They do have the option to use the law to change the country according to their personal bias.

@DavidLaDeau But they are bound by oath to support the U.S. Constitution and the laws of the land. They can't just decide things on a whim.

@BestWithoutGods What is on the books and what actually happens are very different. The problem is they can in fact do what they wish on a whim. When they do it is considered Constitutional Law and their decisions are Very difficult to overturn if not practacally impossible.

I am often told what people can't do. Say like murder, yet it happens all the time.
I don't like or agree with it i am just facing the facts.

@TheMiddleWay If the government were to fund religious schools, they would be forbidden to teach religion to the students, expose them to religious dogma, or perform religious rites, such as prayers. They would, then, become public schools, not religious schools.

@TheMiddleWay

Wow. You are really out in left field.

No. The first amendment applies to ALL states because of the 14th amendment.

@TheMiddleWay

"Consider that if the government won't support ANY religious schools, then the government is establishing atheism as the state sponsored belief and that would violate the 1st."

That is an argument a religionist would use. I've debated them and I've seen it used. IT IS WRONG. 1A applies to federal, state AND LOCAL governments.

You can see this in action when the FFRF receives a complaint from a local resident about some violation or other, researches it, and then sends a letter to the offending local government agency to cease and desist.

@BestWithoutGods RepublicanTs are proving that oaths no longer matter. Just saying.....

@BestWithoutGods It's kind of ironic that the people who are unmoved by their soul's health are the people who believe in eternity. Those who probably don't believe in eternity place a high value on the idea of an Oath.

@TheMiddleWay Thank you for the clarification.

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Send a letter or email to both your representatives in your statehouse and in Washington, DC. You can find their contact info by searching under their names. Ask for your letter to be forwarded to the appropriate committee chairpersons. The more people in the state and federal legislators know about your concerns, the more successful your protest will be.

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So the primary school I started, Satan's Little Angels, might FINALLY receive public funds? EXCELLENT!

why are you pushing another cult?

@benhmiller It's called... A joke.

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where do you think these monies come from anyway? there's no such thing as government-funded either. it's all the people paying taxes at the low end who fund most things including churches etc. one man in a church talking bullshit costs money. it doesn't earn fuck all.

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That is not a very good description of the case before the Supreme Court IMO. The case has to do with taxes and with tax relief for those who pay private schools, so that they don’t get taxed for something from which they don’t benefit.

If you are going to have such a tax scheme you could not reasonably exclude private schools that happen to be religious. You are never going to totally eliminate religion from government. Government is not permitted to FAVOR one religion over another, and government can not interfere in the free exercise of religion, but it is perfectly legal for government to interact or contract with religious groups.

For example, welfare recipients are permitted to buy things at the Salvation Army at taxpayer expense. Chaplains are provided for the armed forces as well as for prisons.

Even if the constitution were changed so that the US could have a state religion it would be a move of little or no significance, and certainly would not be the fearsome apocalypse imagined by many. The darling of enlightened socialist democracy, Norway, so idealized by the left, has as its state religion Evangelical Lutheranism—all the Scandinavian countries do. It hardly seems to phase them.

I didn't know that about Scandinavian nations. They are a beautiful people, seem rather unstressed, but every now and then I hear about something odd concerning them. That's not the experience we have of religion in our nation and I don't believe that's healthy. That's my opinion, yes, but I find it hard to seperate my opinion from tax code. If this government contracted with religion we will be a Theocracy.

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That is what you get from these obstructionist republican and their judges controlled by their wealthy owners and their corporations.

It is all used to control and enslave those who do not conform to their Fascist dogma of total conformity and suppression!!!

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It depends on how religious he supreme court is. If they choose the can make the country very religious and Congress stopping or changing their decrees is pretty much a pipe dream.

The supreme court is mostly Catholic but have taken an oath to uphold the Constitution (that is their job). So far, in the past it has worked. Scalia spoke about the importance of separation and upheld that belief. That is until he got old and started worrying about his, so called, soul. Then he got radical.

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ACLU it's unconstitutional

bobwjr Level 10 Jan 23, 2020
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I wonder which group brought the lawsuit? Private schools I know of don't want tuition paid for students because the school would have to let just anybody in, include non-desirables.

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I guess no one cause politicians have their nose up religions ass that they don't care about anyone else.

Trod Level 5 Jan 28, 2020
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Let's just remove their TAX EXEMPT status!!!!
Yes indeed it's double dipping!!

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Perhaps all of these extra 'public' funds should just be returned to people they were stolen from. Then private individuals can personally choose what to do with that money and who they would like to support with it. As far as who do you contact ... how large is your sphere of influence? That will determine if what you say to whom will matter.

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You can collect signatures in change.com to support your cause.

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