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Wondering if anyone else accepts the Absurd (pursuing meaning in a meaningless world)? Any particular thoughts on it? Been absurdist almost since becoming atheist and have had what you might call struggles and triumphs within it. I'm curious about the general experiences of others.

stulosophy 4 Feb 3
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I purse no meaning. I live life, doing what I like when I can and what I must, the rest of the time.
If there is a higher meaning to life and that meaning is the plan of a higher being; it stands to reason that whatever it is, I'm already doing it.

Only if it's a competent higher being. An incompetent one is also a possibility, and fits some of the available evidence.

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Ever since high school I always enjoyed the great physicist Niels Bohr's line, "The meaning of life is that it's meaningless." Go up to your roof some starry night and regard the full expanse of the universe horizon to horizon. What meaning could it possibly have? IT JUST IS.

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You can choose to think of it as absurd, or you can give it a meaning of your own choice, the universe is just that way, it could care less.

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Every cloud has a silver lining I say.

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It's not absurd to pursue meaning. It's in our nature to want purpose, meaning, self-actualization. The trick is to understand that there is no external force or power to give that to us. We decide what meaning is and how we will obtain it. For Me, it's my friends and family, even people I don't know, and making their lives more pleasant, or less painful, and leave Myself as a warm memory, something they remember when times are rough. Maybe even a kind of inspiration to help them through.

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Absurdity is a stage of our species evolution. Hopefully, we evolve beyond it.

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When I think about how a human can only interpret the world through his senses, and how our senses do not reveal anything much about reality, how can I but accept that life itself is absurd?

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To treat life as anything but absurd would be absurd but of course that would make you absurd either way. I just like to wake up and find myself pleasantly surprised that I am still here for another day of absurdity and I work hard at it, no particular reason, just something I like to do.

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It hasn't been an issue. Life does have meaning, it just doesn't require a prescribed meaning. To me it is derived from the pursuit and occasional fulfillment of well-being. Mindfulness exercises help. Thankfulness and reminders of one's incredible comparative luck also go far. I don't know that taking an absurdist stance on it makes the pursuit any harder or easier, though. I tend to rate things more by their effectiveness than their potential worth, thankfully - I assume every technique is worth it if people are happy with it. If absurdist works for you, more power to you. Do more! 🙂 If not, take the parts that are good and keep the nose to the grindstone.

My own humble world view is plenty good enough to engender meaning, in my opinion. They allow one to live, work, and love in a satisfying way without causing harm to others.

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It is not absurd, just reality. It is the nature of the human organism to construct patterns of meaning that enable him or her to function. You should read the psychology of Jean Piaget.

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I don't think it IS a "meaningless world."
It may be. It certainly seems that way at times.
But I prefer 'natural law' and 'karma'-based justice.
This prompts one to act morally even if (some) others act immorally, as if there are no consequences.
I think we reap as we sow, are rewarded and punished in THIS life, and ones to come.
Is this true? I don't know.
There's plenty of evidence to indicate it is, but everybody's free to think what they want.
If they DO actually believe life is "absurd," though, they'll be, like you, unhappy and pessimistic. Their choice.
I personally see life as kind of a race between good and bad, optimism and pessimism, with ultimately a good outcome.

@maturin1919 Yes, that the attempt to find meaning in a meaningless world is absurd.
I agree if it IS a meaningless world, it WOULD be absurd to think of finding meaning in one's own life, or in anything at all.
It COULD BE very liberating to feel free of having to find that meaning. On the other hand, it'd be--to me anyway--not only absurd but also nonsensical.
I personally don't look for meaning. I just feel there IS meaning.
I don't think a 'god' bestows it, but an afterlife and personal 'spiritual' growth would certainly have to be a part of it.
Part of it also is a feeling there is natural law, and ultimate justice.
Animals don't do bad things, commit criminal acts; there's no court for kangaroos where they are judged and punished. It's only men who do these things, and for them only 'justice' is necessary, and meted out.
I can't prove it, and I may be wrong.
So, without a sense there is a spiritual side to us, life WOULDN'T have any meaning. We're born, we live, we die. What possible meaning could there possibly be?
I'm not saying there IS meaning, just a world without it in ITSELF seems absurd, makes no sense, and I simply don't think that's the case.
That and about $1.79 will get you a cup of coffee.

@maturin1919 Birds 'steal' nests? Chimpanzees 'war' with one another? What about lions 'murdering' gazelles?
As far as 'heat death' is concerned, there IS a theory at some 'tipping point,' gravity takes back over and the universe snaps back to a concentrated mass which explodes again, the process repeating itself an infinite number of times.
Another theory has it there are an infinite number of universes and dimensions; if true, there are no boundaries and there was no beginning and will be no end to it all
So what?
You're implying if there's a goal, it too is meaningless because it itself, once realized, will come to nothing in the end.
Well, that'd depend on the goal, wouldn't it?
What do I think the goal might be? I don't know, interdimensional or trans-universal travel maybe, putting us in contact with other ultra-sophisticated life forms, leading perhaps to immortality? In the meantime we just keep coming back over and over, like Groundhog Day, until we get it right? How's that for something right off the top of my head?
Lots of things occur to me.
You may say, 'Well, you're just making stuff up to give meaning in your own head to meaninglessness.'
Maybe, but if that IS what I'm doing it sure beats sitting around dwelling on inevitable oblivion. And it might just be true.
After all, YOUR idea of 'truth' is just one of a countless number of possibilities...why pick the most depressing one to fixate on? What fun is that?
To me, it's not even the most likely one. Evolution is an ongoing thing and thoughts also evolve. I won't let MY thoughts get stuck in, say, the Inquisition days, or in the long lost dreams of the Third Reich, or even today's depressing headlines.
History is written by the military, and war is fascinating.
Good things are boring, so you never hear of them. A World Government would be boring. So would be a world without conflict of any kind.
Wouldn't it be 'meaningful' to find out what such a world would be like?
Or am I being absurd?

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When you are agnostic or atheist, or even deist, you don't see any plan, so everything is pointless. If I have no kids, I do not give a twaddle what the red haired buffoon with the nuke codes says or does. I simply do not care about global warming cause I will be dead b4 the worst begins. If someone nukes my city , it literally will be over it b4 my nerve cells can react. Again no pain, no awareness who cares. If I have kids I worry for them, even though I acknowledge the silliness of life and human endeavor.

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Excentricity is not appreciated as much anymore....up against a background of bizzare social outpourings it seems almost normal these days

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What an absurd idea!

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If you're an absurdist, I highly recommend the novels of Samuel Beckett: particularly his trilogy, Molloy, Malone Dies, and The Unnamable.

Muton Level 2 Feb 3, 2020
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I've had a hard time understanding the term "absurdism" and "nihilism" and still do. To my simple mind, they are patently obvious. What "meaning" do we expect to derive? Like morality, it is a tool that we devise to survive, live, and hopefully prosper.

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i enjoy absurdity when it does no harm. i don't see that i have to make a special effort in that regard, though. life can be absurd. i recognize it. i don't need to devote myself to it.

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