It is an established fact that believers are deluded and liars. Believers readily accept this fact about other faiths and beliefs, just not their own. Is the world flat? NO, yet there are believers that are insistent, against all evidence, that it is true. Did the Great Flood actually happen? NO, yet believers refuse to accept truth, facts, or reality concerning this myth.
Our Founding Fathers established the First Amendment not to establish or give power to beliefs but to create a buffer so that there would be peace and unity between all beliefs and non-belief.
Believers believe in things they cannot see and doubt the things they can see: they are the perfect marks, the perfect pawns. The naive "childlike faith" that many embrace as being a benefit is actually a detriment and an avenue of control by cons, religions, politicians, governments, corporations, and institutions. Religion is a parasite, it has nothing in itself except what people put into it, that is why it is so divergent and fickle. It is amazing how such a large number of people will accept something that is provably wrong and reject something that is provably true, all because of their beliefs. This makes them the perfect pawns, the perfect marks; the unscrupulous simply have to define and control what the believer believes.
Here is a good example: Donald Trump relies on a simple phrase: ‘Believe me’
Contrary to the Bible, faith has NO substance and is NOT evidence, PROOF is BOTH substance and evidence. Of all the billions of believers in the world, NOT ONE has proven their god exists, however, MANY have murdered, tortured, deceived, raped, bullied, and disenfranchised billions of other people because of their unproven and fallacious beliefs. That is just sick.
If their god and unsubstantiated claims were as fantastical and true as they declare they are, it would be beyond evident, no one could deny it, miracles and evidence would be the normal, however, it is the just opposite. Their god can be disregarded without a thought and nothing would happen, the world would not end.
Believers have deluded themselves to the point of denying everything that is contrary to what they BELIEVE so that they may KNOW that ONLY what they BELIEVE is true. That is insanity. That is the cult mind.
We must face the fact that there is a dark side to belief. There are religions who believe you should die if you don't believe in their god, would you tolerate their beliefs? We can respect the fact that everyone has the right to believe what they like, however, when beliefs are asserted as fact without evidence then everyone has the right to challenge those beliefs.
Many will pick and choose what they believe.
Some may believe that belief may unite people in purpose as well as socially, but so does beliefs like racism and tribalism, belief does not necessarily unite people for good. "That self-hatred should generate in us an eagerness to unite with others seems to suggest that it is primarily against ourselves that we league ourselves with others." - Eric Hoffer
Some may believe that when believers get engrossed in their beliefs it can cause people to achieve things that they cannot achieve by themselves. Which can be true, like snake-handling, suicide bombers and others who kill, hurt, and destroy because of their beliefs.
Some may believe that it provides personal security for the believer. However, it is a false sense of security based on unsubstantiated beliefs and not truth or reality. It is the rejection of self which causes the believer to feel “saved” or “liberated”. It can also delude them into believing they are invulnerable or that they will be saved even when they hurt or kill others. For example: not seeking medical attention even for their children and harming those who believe differently. [childrenshealthcare.org] ; [jcnot4me.com]
People murder daily, and parents allow their children to suffer and die needlessly, all because of their beliefs. Imagine the power if you could control what people believe. Cons, politicians, governments, religions, and corporations all desire to control your belief, because people will sacrifice everything to have its manifestation, even if it is imposed upon them and against their personal and common good.
"The act of self-denial seems to confer on us the right to be harsh and merciless toward others. The impression somehow prevails that the true believer, particularly the religious individual, is a humble person. The truth is that the surrendering and humbling of the self breed pride and arrogance. The true believer is apt to see himself as one of the chosen, the salt of the earth, a prince disguised in meekness, who is destined to inherit this earth and the kingdom of heaven, too. He who is not of his faith is evil; he who will not listen shall perish." - Eric Hoffer
People who believe in religion (higher powers specifically) are deluded, but aren't lying, they are simply acting under incorrect beliefs (to you). Their perspective is that you (and I) are operating under the mistaken belief that there is no god.
The issue is not their beliefs, it's their actions, speech and behavior based on those delusions/beliefs.
Example - I know a lot of people who believe in XYZ god(s), but they are kind, generous and help others in the world. Is that kindness and generosity and willingness to help others bad because of their belief? Or is it like my mother who couldn't execute on end of life care while in hospice because the hospice organization was Christian run?
It's like flat-earthers... Their belief is only harmful to themselves unless they start hoisting that delusion/dogma on others as the "Truth".
it is most certainly not established fact, nor fact at all, that believers are liars. if they believe what they say, they are not lying. there are certainly liars among the religious leadership, but believers? no. delusional, yes, to varying degrees, but asserting their being liars as established fact is established hooey. phooey.
Believers have to be liars because there simply is not any proof. I challenge god to heal all those at St. Jude of their cancer and I'm not even Catholic. Of course, I forgot that many of these children are there because of the sins of their fathers. God is so just and we cannot understand his ways.
Many today think Trump has something to do with god and some have even wanted him to sign their bibles. If Trump lies do not make him just like Jesus, at least he can be "just like Cyrus." There is lots of delusion here.
Anyone remember the 2 men during WW2 that were shooting at each other and one could not harm or kill the other because they were both Christian? I don't remember it either but it shows how complicated things are for god and how big his job is. Each side has a story to tell even though they are lying.
I was a Christian for 30 years. I had a huge emotions problem I prayed about for two years with no luck to get over. Desperate I tried hypnosis and it did more for me in one try than praying to god for two years did. So I started studying hypnosis and I discover that all religion is self hypnosis
Inside a "TRUE BELIEVER" lurks the shell of what could have been a real human being. The hollow personality that remains is one that lives in constant fear that "this may be all there is". Ask any "Christian" what their purpose in life is and you get the same "programmed" answer..."to serve God and enjoy my reward in Heaven". To them it's not about living in the moment. To them it's all about having been slapped with their own mortality since their birth, and they cannot resolve it without having some hope that they will not die. The bait on the religious "HOOK" is simply...Immortality. It doesn't have to be proven...because deep down they know it cannot be proven...so they live in a state of denial. That explains how easily someone like Trump can be accepted...he is basically an elected preacher that promises them riches in the name of God ... All the while fleecing them blind.
Everything has good and bad. I don't think religion is all bad. It is just not for me. When my Aunty lost her grand son and her husband, the church she joined helped her heal spiritually and emotionally. At that point in her life she could not have done it alone. She had to seek an external salvation since her world was in shambles. If she believes a god saved her and has brought happiness in her life, i am glad. She thinks god is in all of us. Whether she calls that god or personal strength, it is none of anyone's business. I believe the latter. Religions become bad when people use it to take advantage of others and use it over others.
Your Hoffer quotes are interesting.
Much of this is true but trite, so mildly insulting, as if you think we don't already take it as a given.
Your point is lacking--what, religious true believers are wrong to claim infallibility? Yes, of course.
Deluded? Check. And liars may use naive true belief to con the gullible and to artificially inflate their own weak egos...sure, but
It sounds like you're trying to convince yourself, not us.
People believe for all kinds of reasons, but if they're lying they're not deluded, are they? If deluded, they're not lying.
More like the blind leading the blind!
All in all, you need focus, in my opinion, and whatever your conclusions, they are obscure. If it's that it's a shame religion is often an excuse for all kinds of trajedy and abuse, gee, no sh*t!
Some believe simply because they mistakenly (?) personalize a deep-seated conviction god exists. Well, maybe A universal 'truth' DOES exist; just not a quantifiable, verifiable, actionable one.
Tell THEM that; we already know.
Your statement is almost as long and muddy as the Mississippi river. Belief simply means: accept and hold something (information) as true.
Much of the information you have written is your belief as you observe things. There is error in your statement as you have written of what you believe to be true as you observe. Its basically the pot calling the kettle black. In my opinion (statement more as humor not intended as exactly precise numbers, hyperbole) 99 % of Christians are actually lying atheist. So, the problem with "believers" is that they are lying about what they say they believe. Here then lies the fix for the situation: teach all the illogical dishonest atheist logic and to be logical it would end christianity and atheism.
When people are conveinced something is true they are not lying even if what they believe is delusional. There are many apologist (probably most) that do knowingly lie outright. These lies are not necessarily an accurate portroyal of the group.
They do decieve themseleves to belief the unbelievable and that which is not logical as believers. This agaain makes them deluded not liars. I deal with the actual liars daily online.