Agnostic.com

30 28

I think this country would be better off with an Atheist in the White House. There would be defiantly a seperation of church and state. People would be treated better by laws,etc. during this time. What else so you think could be accomplished if this happened?

freedom41 9 Mar 3
Share

Enjoy being online again!

Welcome to the community of good people who base their values on evidence and appreciate civil discourse - the social network you will enjoy.

Create your free account

30 comments

Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.

6

We NEED someone with an understanding of The Constitution & Bill of Rights! And the concept of obeying the law! I do not give a damn what religion they are, or not.....

6

We have one now. I am sure we have had them in the past. They just could not admit it, not in this hillbilly country.

6

What makes you think there hasn't been an Atheist in the WH?

I like to think that Obama was a closet Atheists. It boggles my mind that intelligent beings can possibly believe in a God. 🤯😜😵

6

To be honest. I'll wager that we;ve already had an Atheist in the White House, probably a few. But the kept it in the closet. What we really need is for one to come out, so to speak.

5

We could recover the 71 Billion dollars or so by taxing churches like the businesses they've become, particularly the millionaire preachers like Osteen and Dollar.

@maturin1919 Uh, no, they don't and their property is also tax exempt as it is called part of their church.

@maturin1919 I think you should check on that. I believe you're mistaken and I'll do the same.
\

@maturin1919 They put all of their property under the church's name, use it freely and it is tax exempt.

@maturin1919 If they don't do that their accountants and lawyers are idiots.

@maturin1919 Yes, I do, and if you'd examine these organizations closely you'd see it too. As for the IRS asking questions, they've practically stopped examining ANY religious organization, particularly the Evangelical Christians. Are you aware of the Johnson Amendment? Per that law, any tax-exempt organization that endorses specific candidates or parties is supposed to lose their tax exempt status. How many of these organizations are being so sanctioned? NONE. Trump even has one of them in the White House. Wake up and realize how deep their grip is on our government.

@maturin1919 The IRS is why we have good accountants and lawyers. So you're saying church leaders and officials don't take advantage of tax exemptions and write offs? Once again if they don't they need new accountants and lawyers. We'll agree to disagree

@ronnie40356 And I'll repeat Myself. When a religious organization, or ANY tax exempt organization, makes specific endorsements of a particular party or candidate, they LOSE that protection according to the Johnson Amendment. The IRS is NOT doing their job or people like Franklin Graham would not STILL be enjoying their organization's tax exempt status. I"m also saying that churches have become businesses and should be treated as such, not as some kind of sacred system that is beyond responsibility for their property and other possessions.

@sterlingdean I'll agree with this and your point that they should be taxed but won't. It doesn't negate my point about their lawyers and accountants taking advantage of the system.

@sterlingdean, @maturin1919 We agree that everyone tries to pay as little taxes as possible. So do I. I was debating your point that pastors and/or church workers will not hide their property, homes, cars, etc. under the church exemption. I disagreed on that, if I understood you correctly.

@maturin1919 We seem to be going in circles. I'm here trying to point out that pastors can, and do hide assets under the church exempt umbrella. So I'm guessing we'll agree to disagree.

@maturin1919 Apparently not. So we'll agree to disagree about whatever the hell each of us were talking about.

5

Religious organizations would be taxed

@ToolGuy because religion is political. It's been a valuable and effective tool for generations

@ToolGuy because they're getting a free ride without contributing....

@ToolGuy of course taxes are income for the government... I'm taxed, am I more political because I'm taxed..?

@ToolGuy tax refunds come from federal, state, and city.. we do pay federal taxes..

@ToolGuy I don't have time to comment, but thanks for the link. I'll watch it.

@ToolGuy yes, I know.. the refund comes from an overpayment to the government..

@ToolGuy no, but I looked up an article about it.. try reading this

[mercatus.org]

5

Being an atheist doesn't immediately make you a good person. Also, the president doesn't make the laws, Congress does.

Having an admitted atheist in the White House would probably be like having a black man (or woman) in the White House . The public would micro castigate everything they do to the point that nothing gets done.

4

What we need are people who firmly believe in the separation of Church and State.

There are believers who are committed to the ideal of our founders and keep their personal religious beliefs out of their politics (pro-choice Catholics, for instance). But, what we have right now is a lot of supposed "public servants" who are catering to a religious minority and putting their religious beliefs above our Constitution.

What I want is to see the day when we do not know, nor care, what a candidate believes, or does not believe. It should simply NEVER come up.

4

To paraphrase your Mark Twain, atheist or theist, republican or democrat, you still get a bloody politician.

4

Belief or not in god does not improve other qualities, don't fall in the halo effect.
Plus... Do you really think leaders that manipulate the public faith are real believers?

4

we currently do have an atheist in the white house, but trump is also unethical narcissist.
we need a loving, caring agnostic. if tRump had run as an atheist he would not have won.
atheists are trusted less than Muslims in today's USA. such silliness!

4

Tax the hell out of the churches to pay for some new infrastructure. THOU SHALT NOT HIT ANOTHER POTHOLE!

3

trump was a closet atheist, now he uses the moronic idiot evangelistic’s to further his fascist power!

Not all atheists are ethical or moral obviously, seems we are acceptable to being scammed, conned, and ripped off without actually understanding what is taking place!!!

Finding a moral ethical Atheist who would appeal to the voting public seems insurmountable at best!!!

One can hope, just not in our lifetimes!!!

3

I think if a theist read the above they would immediately mention Stalin,Pol Pot, Mao etc. I think an honest president would be all that is needed.

I agree & their political opponents would spend millions on ads comparing them to those blood thirsty dictators. Theists also believe in magical fairy beings and that the earth is 5,000 y.o. Very few atheists would preside like they did, or be able to do what they did as long as the US remains a democracy. That in itself is looking doubtful.

3

I do too. I find that Atheists are easier to work with. They are realist and logical.

3

Any problem with a science-based solution. Right now we have a vice president who has been made Virus Czar who would like nothing better than to hasten the "End Times" he believes are coming and to bring about Armageddon.

Deb57 Level 8 Mar 3, 2020

That didn't occur to me. You bring up a very good point about the dummies in D.C. Which makes the world we live in even sader.

3

No prayer breakfasts, phony speeches, discrimination on basis of religion, more honesty

2

An atheist need first to become the Most Qualified Candidate for the PRESIDENCY OF THE MOST RACIST, CAPITALISTIC AND WARMONGER NATION ON EARTH.... and still does not means the electorate will vote for that so qualified atheist candidate... The nature of the beast.

2

I agree....From my point of view anyone who believes in the religious crap is not mentally fit to lead this country.

Just because a Politician claims he is a believer and or believes in a religion does not necessarily mean he actually believes in this nonsense .It only indicates he has the common sense not to jeopardize his political future by being truthful .And honest politician is an Oxymoron

Good point....pols are always pandering to the religious because there are so many religious idiots in the USA. @granny

2

I agree but it's not gonna happen in the foreseeable future..

@TheMiddleWay First, an atheist is not going to be elected. Second, being "out of touch" with the religiously intoxicated is a plus IMO, but then I'm an atheist. That doesn't mean the atheist couldn't be a good president. What it means, and I think what you're saying is they couldn't run it because 80% of the country would refuse to allow them to do a good job. We'll agree there.

2

The problem is there are still too many religious persons for an atheist to get elected. Maybe by 2028 we'll have reached a critical mass.

@AnViAn I don't know. Even though I voted for him, I was surprised that Obama won, because I didn't think there were enough Amerians who weren't racist to vote for him.

I think there are some religious persons who would vote for an atheist, but it is hard to tell just how many there are. Because of Obama's election, I moved to a more optimistic outlook... although Trump's election has made me wonder.

2

The first goal would be to convince Evangelicals of this and guarantee that there would be no babies eaten.

2

Like most people said here on this thread: atheism does not equate to moral superiority, but I somehow think an atheist president would be interesting to see run the U.S. I personally believe that Sam Harris would make the best atheist president but he's not a politician and I suspect doesn't dream of being one.

Mayse Level 3 Mar 4, 2020
2

More equality, better relations with the civilized world, but possibly more trouble with hard core Muslim nations.

2

Knowing how the religious fanatics feel probably lots of violence. An atheist would allow abortion (as they should), LBGTQ rights (ditto), maybe taxing as non-profits that don't play by the rules (ditto, ditto) and lots of other non-racist and egalitarian programs and the 'moralists' would be very upset and willing to fight. Look how upset they got wen Obama mentioned non-believers in his inaugural speech!! Black and mentioning atheist rights was too much to bear. He got moore hate mail and threats than any other president.

@Gwendolyn2018 It is mostly the religious that oppose these policies. Very few, non-religious are against abortion and discrimination. Besides the hypocritical Libertarians how many non-religious are against abortion, discrimination and the church's getting away with robbery are there???

@Gwendolyn2018 Simply going by the posting. Not making any assumptions just personal ruminations. Talk about cog and then mention the lopsided-cog-in-chief speaks to the power of "one person."

Write Comment
You can include a link to this post in your posts and comments by including the text q:466452
Agnostic does not evaluate or guarantee the accuracy of any content. Read full disclaimer.