So no armed groups out there yet? Probably done through city hall/village? The news is saying there will be armed groups out there on election day. I heard for WI, MI, and PA. Also heard separately MN. These are swing states, so the idea is to ensure the integrity of the vote, i am guessing. Has it ever been to this extreme before? Why does the very act of voting feel it is being mixed in possible violence? It's out of hand, that's why.

@Flowerwall no no armed guards just marked sidewalks for proper spacing sorry to disappoint you.

@oldFloyd I'm not disappointed. A return to normalcy would be a very, very good thing.

Here’s one

Listen to Actual experts, make equipment available where/as needed regardless of if the state is "red" or "blue", encourage wearing masks instead of actively discouraging it, getting out Actual statistics, not outright lies, working with other countries so info gets where it needs to go about treatments, effects, etc(again, Facts) stop throwing money at companies that have never worked in the vaccine field, that just happen to be owned by cronies......

@AnneWimsey Well I personally was disappointed in Harris response at debate upon questioning of this very matter. She choose to spend 80% of her two minutes criticisizing Trump than explaining her plans in less than 30 seconds. That's like going to a Dr. office and listen to him blame you for you own illness. They should be laying out plans at this point specific details.

I do not completely disagree that some conservatives keep pushing this anti-mask agendea. In fact in my state conservatives were just shot down with their legal pursuit of ending the mask order Gov has mandated. I find this conservative approach quite reckless. And especially when yoy consider our case rate and fatalities are rapidly increasing, it comes across as very poorly planned, no thought to public health. Though Trump himself does not disapprove of states issuing mask orders or the general idea of wearing a mask.

perhaps you forget that Biden was on the team that developed the pandemic response papers and that implemented the teams that actively responded to outbreaks

@OldMetalHead Why are you posting something THIS old? It's October. The election is in Nov. A LOT has happened since Apil! Where is the current outline? I cannot read something this old as I feel it's outdated. And what are "Apollo-like moonshots"? What does THAT mean?

@Flowerwall You're not comparing them by the same set of standards. Pence straight out refused to answer several questions, and you're getting all bent up that she didn't use the entirety of her time to lay out plans?! The fact of the matter is even if they had NO plans, it would still be better than the GOP's plan of actively denying science and advice from experts. Literally doing nothing would be immensely more beneficial than what Trump is doing.
And to say that Trump does not disapprove is disingenuous at best but borders on complicity. The overwhelming majority of his actions and words shows his disapproval. Just because he has on very few occasions said masks could be good (even though he generally undercuts those statements in subsequent sentences) does not absolve him of the reprehensible behavior he has exhibited on the issue. That's like telling a child, "Do as I say, not as I do... or say most of the rest of the time."

@JeffMurray Listen. Other topics, GO AHEAD, take your time, critique your opponent. But when it comes to an issue like this, I don't want the precious two minutes squandered trying to make your opponent look incompetent. That's what an incompetent person with no real plan would do! Talk about something that really sets YOU apart, your team. What do you have to offer? By the looks of it, what we're presented with, not much. Just criticism. I want plans, innovative ideas. Tell me what sets Harris /Biden apart? If they come up with good ideas, I will give them credit. Something that will completely change course I will acknowledge it, that it's useful.

@Flowerwall Like I said simply doing nothing at all is immensely more beneficial than what the Trump administration is doing. Not denying science, not arguing with experts, not actively running on a platform of telling everyone (incorrectly) they should get infected to "gain immunity" is so vastly different than anything any rational person would do sets Biden/Harris apart from him so much I couldn't imagine a greater contrast.
And your claim that this topic and this topic alone should require one's full time is a No True Scotsman fallacy. There is nothing inherently different about this than say the topic of differing death rates of like nations or maintaining health coverage for those with preexisting conditions which threatens the health, life, and economic livelihood of tens of millions of Americans.

@JeffMurray Can you kindly link the team's current plan? Similar to the link in this subthread from medium that's posted above, but the current plan. Thanks.

@JeffMurray And I will say this again Republicans, better not dare think they are going to do away with healthcare protections put in place by Obamacare. The American ppl do not want that. The Rs may gain a lot of political seats this time around, but Americans do NOT want that. As fast as they are voted in, OUT they will go! Ppl are tired of this constant upheaval. And doing it in midst of pandemic would be the WORST political error a side could ever take. Not that there would ever be a good time to do that. That move could potentially destroy the party for good.

Healthcare could be vastly improved, in terms of lowered costs. Government needs to stop with this constant redo of basic ideas. It's inefficient. Obamacare is imperfect but acheives a lot of goals in our current system, nobody has offered anything better have they? All I have ever heard was ppl complain about Obamacare. It's whining! Obamacare was good policy!

According to this, "Meanwhile, recent Census data show that the number of Americans who are uninsured increased by 1.9 million in 2018, after reaching an historic low following passage of the ACA. Still, 91.5% of people were covered by health insurance last year" so in 2018 we regressed. It's problematic. We should not expect to see LESS ppl covered. That's a failure, but it isn't an abysmal failure. There could be logical explanations. I believe the Rs know what is at stake if it continues down that path.

@Flowerwall Ooh, I see where the disconnect is now. You think the Republicans care what people want and what people think of them. They don't. All they want to do is provide benefits for the rich people that support them. They don't need to be in power every cycle to do that. The richest of the rich made so much money the past 4 years it's insane. So they may lose. But it won't be for ever. It probably won't even be for long. And they'll get back in and fuck over the little guy again to provide more huge gains for the rich.

"The Biden Plan to Combat Coronavirus (COVID-19) and Prepare for Future Global Health Threats | Joe Biden for President: Official Campaign Website" [joebiden.com]
But like I said multiple times, no plan is still infinitely better than Trump's plan.

@JeffMurray "A decisive economic response"? Maybe he should start by giving someone in the House a phone call then? Some news reports suggest if it doesn't happen now it will be months, what are they waiting for? It's like deliberately breaking it, to look like you fixed it later. Dems holding up aid right now is wrong.

Another previous response of Biden's back as VP during H1N1, his off the cuff response at the beginning sounded good like he knew what needed to be done, but then because it wasn't what suited the intetests of big biz, it was backed away from. This what I mean, the same criticism I have leveled before, if the Fed gov can't figure out how to respond aporopriately at the BEGINNING of something like this at THIS point after all the funds they have had access to, my hopes they will ever figure it out are very, very small.

I understand the ideal is all Americans having access to healthcare. In reviweing statistics yerday, some of the uninsured have choosen just not to have it. Ppl have that right. As far as Rs, when they REMOVE protections and ppl LOSE healthcare, it only makes the party look VERY BAD. It becomes the party that is working contrary to overall public health and that's just a very bad look. Dems could bring all of it to light, and just make Rs look terrible, absolutely terrible.

@Flowerwall "dems holding up aid"????? With their MINORITY. EXactly like they are holding up the new SCOTUS?...explain this to me!

@AnneWimsey Send that check out to Americans who are being hard hit. The rest can be debated at a later time. You know what is happening

@Flowerwall Are you fuckin' putting me on right now?