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Customer service point of view.
I have worked various public facing jobs over the years and I think it's a point of view everyone could benefit from hearing, so here goes.

There is a troubling attitude toward customer service workers that is so ingrained and pervasive that people become offended when you point it out. We are often treated as servants. "The customer is always right" has morphed into systemic abuse of clerks, waitresses and service staff in general. People will do and say the most awful things to them,knowing they'll get away with it because the service industry is fanatic about not offending customers.

I have witnessed workers being sexually harrased and stalked, physically accosted, threatened and assaulted by out of control customers and management. Even those who don't cross that line often fail to treat customer service people with any respect. It's not ok to be horrible to people because you don't like the prices,procedures or anything else about a business. The people you see and talk to DO NOT MAKE policy. They're just the sad sacks who have to put up with your tantrums over it.

Something many people may not know is that the service industry has been on a massive labor cost cutting rampage in the last decade. Most people can't get full time but are expected to have completely open availability at a low wage. Good luck getting a 2nd job to pay rent. Corporations don't mind turnover and even encourage it because it keeps them from having to give out raises, pay for benefits etc.

So that customer service worker who doesn't seem to care enough about whether or not the bread you want is in stock most likely is living on the edge of poverty, has no healthcare, next to no job security and knows very well that he could be fired at any time for any little thing.

Getting sick is a big one. People get fired for calling in sick all the time. You want to know why that bakery employee is working despite barely being able to stand? Because sick leave in most cases is draconian. You only get a handful of days, that are often tied in with vacation and family leave. Many places require a doctor's note if you call in for 3 consecutive days. Good luck with that when you're broke and don't have any healthcare, or an enourmous deductible that has to be met. So you can thank the service industry for the frequency of colds and flu.

In conclusion folks, customer service workers are broke,most likely sick, struggling with all sorts of financial and emotional problems resulting directly from basically being slave labor and generally despised by the public and their employers. So maybe try not to be such dicks. Also support your local labor movement.

OpposingOpposum 9 Apr 16
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I get sick quite often because crew and customers come to eat or work sick. I think I have more nice customers than the rude ones. This old senior was rude. I got my boss, he was rude to her as well. He wanted free things without a purchase. He thought he was entitled and privileged. Seniors tend to think that when they rudely ask for a senior drink. "I get a free drink?!" No, you ask like this: "May I please have a senior drink?" So many elderly people are rude about it.

Yeah we get a lot of that here in Florida. You here a lot about the entitlement of millenials but the boomers are way bigger offenders in my experience.
Illness tends to rampage through retail for that exact reason. People come in sick because they need money,are concerned about losing their jobs or just because calling in sick is generally assumed to be "malingering". I know a man who got fired because he was in the hospital after a heart attack and missed his shift.

Florida sucks. One year in Daytona convinced me of that. Aside from brutal humidity I've never seen such blatant racism and pure assholery as I did there....and they're proud of it. The cooler folks also, but...nnnaaaahhhh....Fuck that place.

@Blindbird Wow. That sucks. People don't care about their employee's health.

@Slappy_Longarms I've never been to FL.

@Sarahroo29
You're not missing anything.
Visiting is one thing - living there is something else.

@Slappy_Longarms Lol.

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Lifes rough out there... it is what it is... its that way at high paying jobs... i was a utility foreman. I made good money but I basically worked for all foreman, secretaries, any prick trying to suck up to his boss. The security. Note: You got bullshit at every level. I try to be nice to all people. But i want to inform you that low wage jobs aren't the only jobs with bullshit. High paying jobs catch hell too.

I'm aware. I'm also convinced we need to stop the bullshit. People have been out here taking shit when they're just trying to do their jobs for far too long.
The big point here is that people are working for slave wages though. Unable to afford living costs,healthcare or a sick day. Anyone who works full time should not be living in poverty. The people at the top of the corporate food chain are all take and no give AGAIN much like a hundred years ago. They need to be reined in and taken to account.

@Blindbird Vive la résistance!

@RavenCT I got my pitchfork ready.

Somehow, though, I'd think abuse from clientele and co-workers would be a little easier to endure on a man's wage than it is on a woman's. And many man just never receive as much, or the same kind of, abuse as a woman simply because she seems less intimidating.

I worked for a UK national supermarket chain and everyone started on minimum wage which was the same for men and women. You could then get pay increments based on a yearly review of your performance

@eeyorn. The USA military do the same thing...

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Wow your experiences sound horrendous, sorry you've been through that. I'm not sure if people are that bad in the UK and Australia. I've found most people ok and just a few getting too personal in Australia. Or maybe that's just me. (Also you can bar them or stop serving them if you're in a pub, which is great!)

Uk is as bad matey.. I have done call centre work for the AA breakdowns.. it all hits the fan when they get a puncture lol.

Thanks. It's definitely not just me. People(usually) like me and treat me fairly well. This post was brought on by hearing others stories actually. It made me sad and angry that so many people live with those sorts of struggles.

@Blindbird definitely can't blame yourself ... I have worked in the care sector running a home for Young adults who are emotionally disturbed and mentally ill .. I have had more respect out of those "supposed damaged, problem" kids than half the customers out there. Those kids are glad when you point out a misgiving or error so they can learn and be part of being in a grateful useful society lol .. Rather than customers who are rude haha, entitled and full of privilege!!!

My references for dealing with "difficult people" and track record for positive results in care is truly flawless - so I know when someone is being an asshole lol 🙂 and when they deserve my help .. I have a good yardstick 😉

@Nickbeee lol. Good yardstick huh?

I guess I've somehow managed to avoid rude people then, or maybe I just write their comments off as them having a bad day. I did have an argument with one customer in 2017 (about pricing, which was already low, he was just being an ass!), but apart from that have been lucky I guess.

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Yeah I worked retail..people are dicks generally..with an occasionally nice customer..

I think most customers are fairly nice but completely clueless. The jerks stand out in ones memory though.

@Blindbird hmmm..you do have a point..thanks.

@Blindbird In my experience most customers are neutral but I have worked in stores where the clientele was primarily nice and also primarily hateful. My current location is one that is notoriously hateful.

Near PGA village where super rich live but surrounded by people who expected to be rich but the recession forced them to settle for st lucie west. The area is still out of my price range but they expected caviar and are forced to eat pate. Incredibly bitter.

There are regulars that are in there every single day to treat every person they encounter like shit. Every trick in the bag to show us that we are lowlifes.

Just enough nice people to keep me from going postal.

@SherryMartin that sounds horrible. I live in Sarasota so I know the type?

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This my dear is why I said fuck it to retail a long time ago.

Individually, that's a good solution. If everyone had something else to go do retail would have to improve working conditions to entice employees back.

@Blindbird and there ya go my friend sadly having so many people wanting these jobs makes it easy for employers to be cunts

@josh23452 "needing"

@Blindbird eh I say no one needs a job that treats em like ass.

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A couple of years back in Asda (the UK branch of Walmart), I saw a customer who wasn't looking where she was going push her trolley into one of the shopfloor workers. "Oh, I'm sorry," she said - and then looked down her nose at him and added "What am I apologising to you for? You're just a shop assistant."

Fortunately, as a customer, I was in a position to tell her she ought to be ashamed.

Jnei Level 8 Apr 17, 2018

Good on you! One of my coworkers was 8 months pregnant, stocking something on floor level when a lady ran into her with a cart. The woman said"well she saw me coming, she should have moved". That particular coworker caught a lot of crap when she was pregnant actually. She looked very young and people assumed she was a teen mom.

@Blindbird My blood is literally boiling just reading that - I get absolutely fumingly pissed off at how some people seem to think it's OK to be rude to women who become pregnant at any age they seem to consider "unsuitable". One of my colleagues had a baby when she was 18 and some of the comments I heard at work when she was very pregnant made me want to follow the customer outside and stab them in the face.

@Jnei yes. I wholeheartedly agree.

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Wow was just thinking of how unrealistic that is to the customers. Think that an employer would encourage a sick employees to seek medical care rest etc so that the employee could give the customers the best treatment in hope of repeated business.

That is sadly NOT how corporations work.

@Blindbird I know worked for Costco for a like 3 years they are a bit better about employees treatment but only a smidge.

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Worked a lot of customer service jobs too. Reading your post reminds me of Ehrenreich's book 'Nickel and Dimed' . Even in Florida there's got to be something better. I know Florida's a right to work (for less) state but there has to be some jobs with union representation. I definitely know what you're going through. Take care. With you in the struggle.

Yes. There are better things for ME but that still leaves millions of people in this situation. In fact this rant was brought about by meeting and listening to the stories of 3 customer service folk over the last 2 weeks. Their stories were profoundly sad and distressing and far too common.

@Blindbird Agree with you completely. That's why I really liked your last sentence in the original post. I'm a proud member of ATU Local 1005, support other unions and anyone else who wants to be in a union. I do support the labor movement: locally, nationally and at the ballot box. Great post. 🙂

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I couldn't agree more. You are right in all you comments. I see this every day. I deal with it every day. I am in customer service but I wouldn't say that I am the best example of how to do it. I will push back on these rude and ignorant (for whatever reason) people who are usually entitled and self centered and that of course only encourages them to continue their attacks. I am not a mean person but I will stand up for myself and that has earned me the title of 'that mean lady'. Standing up for oneself = mean!!! A title that I am quite happy to own. I am fortunate in that my boss (business owner) while valuing the customer does not expect the worker to have to tolerate rudeness from customers. I am thankful that most of my customers are respectful and appreciative of my help. Lastly my co-workers, in the retail industry, are some of the most decent, hardest working people I know or have known.

Yes. Being assertive is frowned on as a woman and doubly so when working service jobs! I can be a "mean lady" when the situation calls for it as well. 😉

@Blindbird Yes. How sad is that? Hopefully it will change now that the expectations put on women are being challenged.

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I support a living wage.

To address the rest of your post; I think that the way people treat service workers in any industry reflects on their character not the service.

I don't know how I compare to other customers in that department, but I don't know that in the two restaurants that I frequent, my drinks always get refilled quickly and my food is served very quickly. Of course, I still wait during rush periods, but not as long as most.

I've also encountered my fair share of mistakes on the part of service providers, but I try to keep in mind that we all fuck up sometimes, and if you treat people like human beings they will quickly fix things most of the time.

JimG Level 8 Apr 17, 2018

I wish I could give you more than 1 point for your comment Jim. Spot on, imo

@eeyorn
Thank you!

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This! I've had a man raise his cane at me, been called a liar too many times to list, been waved over, fingers snapped at me, etc. All manner of comments and hand gestures intended to humiliate me by bullies that know they can get away with it.

In the past, men have "accidently" touched my ass and/or breasts, grab me by the arm or shoulder to keep me where they want me. make comments about how I must be in bed.

And I am expected to not only tolerate it but actually fucking thank them for shopping there. Half the time, the store management is treating the female staff the same damn way.

I once had a customer whistle at me. I turned around, looked him square in the eye, and said "I'm not a dog. Please don't whistle at me". He looked both shocked and embarrassed to be called out on his actions. I've also had messy customers, when seeing me straighten the mess they made, say to me "it's job security", to which I answer "no, making a purchase is job security, not cleaning up after you".

@AzVixen52 Yeah I get those. I don't comment because I work for a company that wrote me up after a roommate made a false call against me. The camera showed I was not on the floor at the time specified so the acknowledged I was innocent but then wrote me up for not keeping my personal life out of the job.

I take it because I make over twice the minimum age and the shit I have taken has ensured my children never would

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Very little you said that I disagree with, I am a strong supporter of a livable minimum wage and against the use of multiple part time employees to fill fulltime jobs. As an employer in a business where customer service is important, I expect my employees to be curious, polite and friendly but, I expect them to speak out is a customer behave poorly if they don't then they can expect disciplinary attaction as it is an OHS violation not to.

And THAT is a major difference between small business owners and corporations. The small business owner is on the ground and sees the real world effect of their policies. There's no accountability in corporations. Something goes wrong,they just fire a couple middle managers.

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"Then they should have gotten an education so they don't have to work there."

J/K; you told the story of my adult life. And someone is always going to have to do those jobs; it's not fair to attach shame to them.

It's bleeding into other labor jobs too. Teachers, nurses,doctors. There seems to be a propoganda war on people who work hard.

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Sometimes when I talk to someone quite younger than me I find myself saying, "back in the old days" and I hated when I was young when they said that to me. But it was better back in the 50's and 60's. My first real job in 1965 was at a chain grocery store stocking shelves $1.75 hr., it was a union job minimum wage was $1.35! People earned a very livable wage then. Anti-unionism to me has strangled our wage earners and thus ridiculous wages of today.

Absolutely

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Thankfully Canada has universal healthcare and an almost decent minimum wage, approx.$11/hr, it differs by province. Still too much of what you say is on the nose. I worked over 25yrs in the service industry, from busboy to manager and saw verbal, physical and mental abuses by customers and employers that would shock most people not familliar with the industry. From cooks that would wager each night which of them could make a waitress cry first, to employers making servers wait for up to 3 hours, without pay, then sending them home because it didn't get busy enough. If you complained, your shifts were cut or you were simply let go. Lots more where you came from. My best advice to anyone in the industry is this: Be polite, courteous, helpful and attentive. Do your best to provide the highest level of service you can, but don't forget to respect yourself and don't allow anyone to disrespect you. You have value even when others don't or won't see it.

Universal healthcare and a living wage would be huge steps in the right direction.

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I am pretty sure if I had to work in 'customer service' the phrase "I will cut you" would be my name tag....I did work in as a 7-11 clerk back in the late 80's for a brief amount of time....but, during my shift, I called it an inconvenience store....when regulars walked in, I greeted them with either a 'whadaya want now?' or 'not you again'. New customers got a 'buy at your own risk'. The owner was the worst....a drunken 5' tall texan who had so many DUI's that his 7-11 eventually lost it's license..but the benefit was that he said,"Don't put up with no shit...if a customer is causing a problem, kick him out...it's not like we will run out of customers..."...haha! Rowdy Roddy Piper was a semi-regular....he got the 'not you again'....haha...he was awesome.

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I work customer service in Scottsdale (aka SNOTSdale). It seems like the people with the most money are the cheapest sons of bitches out there, and want something fo nothing. I am always polite, and will bend over backwards for a nice customer. But if someone is an ass? I'll do as little for them as possible. The customer is NOT always right, and I never allow someone to treat me like shit.

I do the same. I will go above and beyond for a nice respectful client but if you are rude or nasty I will do the bare minimum.

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I've declined second and third dates with people who treated service workers like crap. It's very telling about their character and I ain't got time for it.

Lani Level 5 Apr 17, 2018

Oh yeah. Nasty or creepy to the "help"? There will be no 2nd date.

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Wish I had found this when I first replied.

Fastest way to end a date ever.

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That is really sad. I always try to be respectful of service workers. My ex-wife was a waitress and a store clerk for a while, and she helped to see what they go through.

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I spent most of my working life in customer service. Your post is spot on.

Deb57 Level 8 Apr 16, 2018
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As young people my older siblings all worked in restaurants.
I have never forgotten their experiences. I also never did that because I knew with my temper I'd knock someone's block off if they pinched me.
I worked in the cafeteria in college - but was behind a counter! lol

Even working reception this kind of crap happens. People don't get it?
That person is just representing a company - it's way higher up then them.

That could be YOU standing there taking the abuse.

I actually got a cashier recently who had just been the brunt of someone's displeasure - and I just listened to her and acknowledged she wasn't crazy and the person had been rude.

It's not that hard to be nice. People need to figure this out?

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I used to work for a municipal government. There were some good things about it, for sure. But, it was also like wearing a target on your back! I left. Now I'm a teacher. Hmm, something strangely familiar.......

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How people treat clerks etc is possibly the best indication of character I know. Even if service help aren't at their best, I assume they are having a shitty day for whatever reason and it's even more important to treat them with dignity and respect. We're all in this together.

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Though only addressing a part of this it means a lot to me. I & most of my family has worked in sales or customer service often over the years, including retail & food service. One of the biggest indicators for me, when on a date, is how my date responds to & treats the wait staff or the clerks in a store. If she flings attitude & rudeness instead of empathy, that will be a final date.

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