Science and Religion compatible?
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.Religion and science are like oil and water. They might co-exist, but they can never mix to produce a homogeneous medium. Religion and science are fundamentally incompatible. They disagree profoundly on how we obtain knowledge of the world. Science is based observation and reasoning from observation. Religion assumes that human beings can access a deeper level of information that is not available by either observation or reason. The scientific method is proven by its success. The religious method is refuted by its failure.
Victor J. Stenger, Emeritus Professor of Physics, University of Hawaii
TimeOutForMe
Level 8
Aug 1, 2021
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Steven Weinberg Is exactly right.
There’s no compatibility between science and religion. Religion is about finding purpose where there’s probably none. Science is about how does reality work whether there’s purpose or not. You can’t make either embrace the other since they’re entirely different tools for entirely different purposes.
Anyone that insist they’re compatible is trying to steal the undisputed validity of science in an attempt to apply it to their religious bias.
Especially new age spirituality and attempts at western versions of eastern religions. It’s almost better to be anti-science like Protestant Christianity, at least they aren’t redefining science in such a dishonest way.
Religion is just bad psychology to let us feel better about human hubris and nothing more really. Hardly worth notice to anyone rational.
Willow_Wisp
Level 8
July 31, 2021
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About the Big Bang, Georges LeMaitre’s attempt to use mathematics to confirm a religious belief, Stephen Weinberg was exactly wrong.
As you say, there’s no compatibility between science and religion.
@yvilletom The universe is expanding, so long ago all the galaxies were closer together, way before that they were way closer together. One must assume that this goes all the way back to everything (energy) being in one place.
That’s not religion it’s a fundamental observation about the nature of the universe.
You should consider throwing away your book “The Electric Universe” away. It’s as bad as flat Earth “science” and it’s a bad influence on you and it is demonstrably wrong.
Edwin Hubble HYPOTHESIZED:
1, that the universe is expanding, AND
2, that it is not expanding.
LeMaitre, to support his religion, fraudulently used Hubble’s first hypothesis.
The big bang is dying because:
@yvilletom What’s with you? Are you mentally ill? What difference does it make that you would have such strong feelings about something quite simple and almost entirely irrelevant in day to day life?
Honestly I don’t give a fuck about how ignorant you will yourself to be but unless you get your degree and publish some peer reviews that agree with your conclusions absolutely no one will care about your dumb ass opinion on this subject.
Grow the fuck up.
America's religiosity during the 1920s explains the battle between two models of the universe, the gravitational, or Big Bang, model and the electric universe (EU) model.
@Willow_Wisp Mentally ill? Perhaps, but in college I majored in math, minored in physics. In graduate school I studied both, until I decided that ten years of poverty was enough.
Study first year physics and you will question some of the video you cited.
I won’t debate you further.
@yvilletom You need to watch the video, please don’t tell me about your physics background I already know my credentials would embarrass you starting with my term of military service as a nuclear engineer in the Navy followed by my project work for JPL and Aims research center.
You’re in an ego cult, worse you embarrass yourself by challenging established physics that I work with every damned day. I read the electric universe and it’s pure shit. Relativity works and gravity is real. Deal with it.
Science requires reason and evidence. Religion requires doctrine and a book. There is no compatibility between scientific research and faith and people who are practicing both are experiencing ambivalence.
afrogonalog
Level 5
July 29, 2021
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They are when one excells at compartmentalization. One needs to be suspended within the mind while the other is active.
In order to integrate the two, one or both must be compromised. Sort of how reconciling contradictions within the Bible must compromise either or both of the contradictory sections. The Christmas story is one example. The story contains many elements of one account not mentioned in others. Combining them assumes that these elements were omitted from the other accounts and combining them makes the story inconsistent with any one story as recounted in that book of the Bible.
RussRAB
Level 8
July 28, 2021
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Nope I think not.
The religious are delusional. Delusions which are unshakable beliefs in something untrue.
...and they have ready-made answers that cannot be questioned.
TimeOutForMe
Level 8
July 28, 2021
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In so far as everything in the universe may be considered to exist in a complementary state, that is, one could not exist without the other as in hot and cold, left and right, rich and poor, presence and absence, etc etc etc then may be considered 'compatible.'
In the human realm it takes various forms of opposition wherein one party defines itself in opposition to another and from which a sense of identity is derived.
Fritjof Capra wrote the Tao of Physics in which he attempted to draw parallels between eastern mysticism and modern physics. Neils Bohr was awarded a Coat of Arms by the Royal Danish Court for his contribution to phyics and he designed his own heraldic shield, see pic...
ASTRALMAX
Level 8
July 28, 2021
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That's an interesting point, but I'm not seeing how those are opposite in that way.
@JeffMurray Compatible implies that two things or people go well together. I don't think that compatible is the best choice of word in the posed question.
@ASTRALMAX Agreed. I basically made that same point.
No. Science has questions that may never be answered. Religion has answers that must never be questioned.
anglophone
Level 9
July 27, 2021
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@Diagoras That makes sense. Thanks for sharing.
They’re non-overlapping magisteria.
Mvtt
Level 7
July 27, 2021
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@Mvtt
In the 1990s the late Harvard University paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould proposed that religion and science be viewed as non-overlapping magisteria (NOMA) such that they cannot, by definition, be in conflict.
Gould proposed that religion and science be viewed as non-overlapping magisteria but some believers see religion as superior. The two are in conflict. Gould erred; his hypothesis has been falsified.
@Mvtt Just the humans. Gould’s proposal / hypothesis ignored that some believers say religion is superior to science.
America's religiosity during the 1920s explains the battle between two models of the universe, the gravitational (Big Bang, or BB) model and the electric universe (EU) model.
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CuddyCruiser
Level 8
July 27, 2021
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I don't know but I might be willing to try!
Hardly.
Science is always questioning, religion rejects questioning.
Science is constantly testing and updating what is "known".
Religion is rooted in never questioning what is "known", and desperately trying to use science to validate their myths.
There is NO compatibility.
KKGator
Level 9
July 27, 2021
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Tell that to the Christian who are Scientists. Not that “I” disagree with you.
@MsKathleen "christian scientist" is another of those oxymorons, like jumbo shrimp or moral majority.
As for trying to tell those people anything, I don't waste my breath.
Your post is perfect.
@Alienbeing Thank you.
@KKGator You're so right. Religious beliefs and delusions alike can arise from neurologic lesions and anomalous experiences, suggesting that at least some religious beliefs can be pathological. Religious beliefs exist outside of the scientific domain therefore they can be easily labeled delusional from a rational perspective.
Boo. Mskathleen has blocked me, so I couldn't read that exchange. She probably wrote something stupid, considering.
@JeffMurray It wasn't stupid.
@KKGator I was just being an ass pointing out the the ridiculous parameters under which some choose to employ the block feature.
@JeffMurray It's all good.
People block other people for their own reasons.
I've blocked, and been blocked.
I don't judge.
The Garden of Eden story about our place in the universe is a lie.
The Big Bang story, LeMaitre’s attempt to use mathematics to confirm the Garden of Eden story, is a lie.
Neither story is science; both stories are religion. Yet Weinberg accepts the BB lie.
Big Bang cosmology is a multi-billion dollar taxpayer-funded industry. The people it benefits financially will do everything they can to keep the industry funded.
yvilletom
Level 8
July 27, 2021
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