Even if it means a cessation of actions that could harm others? I don't love it because they're dead, I love it because they can no longer cause harm and may even do good with their comical, Darwin-award-style demise.

@JeffMurray The only person's death I was ever happy about was Rush Limbaugh's. You're not wrong, it's just not someone I want to be.

@Druvius I don't believe people can choose what emotion to feel about something.

@JeffMurray "Emotions are the clouds that blow before the winds of our purpose."

@Druvius Which is it? Emotions, like glee at the death of an anti-masker, are unpleasant things associated with a person you don't want to be, or are just clouds that change or blow by if you don't let them control you and let them disperse?

@JeffMurray I can't imagine living a life with such a one dimensional relationship to emotions such as yours, but hey, whatever works for you.

@Druvius A woman I used to work with tried to tell me once that people can choose to feel one way or another about something. That it was my fault that I hadn't chosen to forgive or stop being angry about something. I tried to explain that people cannot choose how they feel. She insisted, emphatically, that I was wrong. Her claims are almost identical to the implication your comments have made here: that not being happy these people died is the mark of a better person, a person you are choosing to be, and by extension, I am a worse person for not choosing as you have (all but once).

Several months after the argument I had with that woman, she was at work in tears, devastated. She had just found out that her husband had an affair.

It took every ounce of restraint in my body not to tell her she should just choose to be happy about it instead of sad. People can't choose their emotions. Thinking you can, and that your choices are superior, makes you both elitist and wrong.

@racocn8 I suppose if you believe in free will at all, that's a thing people can think they can do. I don't. And there's no scientifically defensible position for a belief that we have it. Or that a doctor will find a reason to prescribe said drugs. Or that those drugs will have the intended result. Or that any of that is akin to what he suggested by his comments.
I'm not trying to be a dick, and we kind of agree, but that was kind of an unfair implication.

Humans also have tremendous capacity for evil and may have done a lot in their lives. Them dying may help protect an innocent person or child who couldn't get vaccinated from dying. I agree it's regrettable they couldn't do better with their lives, but they are doing good with their deaths.

Are you trying to get me to say you're a better or more compassionate person? Every time an anti-vaxxer or anti-masker dies, there's one less anti-vaxxer or anti-masker that can transmit the virus or speak out against measures that can protect lives. That's why I revel in their deaths.

I would have called it a false equivalency if I thought someone that stupid was worth trying to reason with.

@JeffMurray ok, still a logical fallacy

@FearlessFly Agreed. Both could fit. I was just using that as a lead in to call him an idiot.

Exactly. Every time an anti-vaxxer or anti-masker dies, there's one less anti-vaxxer or anti-masker that can transmit the virus or speak out against measures that can protect lives. I don't think it's harsh at all to want to protect lives.

@BD66
When and where was that photo taken? Recently in Miami?

@Scott321 No that was a different time when she went out to a ball wearing a $35,000 gown that said "Tax the Rich" on it.

There's a huge difference between not wearing a mask when you feel the likelihood is low (say in a group of all fully vaccinated people) and actively spreading misinformation like masks/vaccines don't work and people shouldn't ever use them.

@JeffMurray They are indeed different, but I'm not sure which one is worse:

1. The Democrats with their "Do What I Say, Not What I do Policy"

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2. Fauci admitting that they lied to the American Public, telling them "Masks were Unnecessary"

3. The lunatics who believe wearing a mask will impinge on their freedom.

4. The lunatics who believe they will be harmed from CO2 buildup if they wear a mask.

It's a tough call which parties have done the most damage in this 2 year shit show.

@BD66 You didn't seem to know the difference when you posted. If you did, that would mean you knowingly posted an idiotic false equivalency.

I do know which is worse. And I do understand why Fauci lied and commend him for it. Only an idiot would think telling people to wear masks could cause more harm than telling people it's dangerous to wear masks.

@JeffMurray

In March, 2020, Fauci lied and told people "You don't need masks"

Then he told people "We lied to you because the medical people needed the masks"

If Fauci and any honesty, integrity, or common sense he would have been telling people how to make homemade masks.

@BD66 But that's not what would have happened, and you know it.

@JeffMurray Here is Fauci lying to people telling them they do not need masks:

Here is Fauci explaining why he lied to people:

I think it's hysterical when people try to claim that a hypocritical leader somehow bolsters whatever argument they are trying to make. That's not how logic works.

@BD66 If you think, as those anchors did, that "people would have listened" you're blind. People hoarded fuckin' EVERYTHING. Not even shit that would help you. EVERYTHING. You couldn't buy toilet paper for months for fuck's sake. People were hoarding, price-gouging, and reselling medical supplies left and right. As a healthcare worker who has worked with covid positive patients since the beginning of the pandemic, who couldn't choose to stay home as a method of protecting myself, I'm glad that the government did what it could to protect the supplies we needed to protect ourselves while we saved lives. The masks that went to the hospitals, instead of someone's closet and eBay page, may have prevented a collapse of the healthcare system. Even now, we are struggling keeping staff healthy and the National Guard has deployed 2400 troops to Ohio hospitals to help get the jobs done.