Perhaps in smaller pieces?

Well, it's not the America we used to have. Something happened to it.

Yes, and we damn well might have had a civil war.

May be...but I and a few pesky progressives are still working to save it.

@mischl Half of the electorate doesn't believe in facts or free and fair elections. What's worse, that half thinks that same thing about the other half. I'm not saying our democracy is going to end, I'm saying it's already over. It's kind of how we've already past the point of no return for global warming, but most people haven't realized it yet.

@JeffMurray Right on most points. However, I think (and hope) the half that doesn't believe in facts is significantly LESS than half. Who knows for sure. But by November of 2024, we WILL know.

@mischl I wish, too, but I've seen the numbers and the trajectory. No reason to think that is enough less than half that the cheating done by that half won't still make it a contest or that it's not going to be worse than it was last election given Biden's numbers...

That would be fun to watch. NG using those second amendment rights.