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I'm offended when a believer lies and says that they "know" what they believe is "true" or "real" without any evidence whatsoever to support their beliefs, even more so when contradicting evidence is against their beliefs. Believers getting offended when someone contradicts their beliefs with reality, is offensive, because lying and the denying of reality is offensive.

Agnosticism is irrelevant. Everyone is agnostic, including theists. They, like everyone else, DO NOT KNOW definitively if a god exists, that is why agnosticism is irrelevant.

Theist: theist = belief in god
Agnostic: a = without; gnostic = knowledge
Atheist: a = without; theist = belief in god

In order to know, you must have knowledge, in order to have knowledge, you must have evidence. Believers simply believe without evidence producing knowledge. An atheist or non-believer accepts knowledge that evidence produces. Theists have NOT produced any evidence for gods.

This is why atheists demand proof in order to obtain knowledge and theists demand belief in order to sustain their faith.

A god is not defined by reality or existence, believers make the assertion that it is, the god makes no assertion whether it exists or not, it is therefore the believer who must then prove the assertions they make.

There have been innumerable myths over the centuries that are no more real or relevant than they were when the first fool believed the idiot who invented them, it would be foolish to hold onto a false legitimacy of a god until it has been proven, the believer must prove their nonsense or "truth" with evidence first.

nogod4me 8 Mar 10
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I'm not offended. I know people with other delusions that they're fat, that they're inadequate etc. All deeply held beliefs that are extremely difficult to change and usually beliefs that were installed by toxic parents. Unless they're acting in ways which are disrespectful of my beliefs I feel sorry for them. I see them questioning their decisions and incapacitated by the limitations placed upon them by their beliefs. (Eg. I can't leave this toxic relationship no matter what happens, god will fix it) Once I overcame my frustration it became heartbreaking.

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I'm not offended by the religious but there are things that do offend me. I'm offended that some people are "cancelled" because they have offended others. Disagree as much as you like but let's not shut down conversation. I demand the right to be offended!

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I'm not offended by this stuff. I just think they are wrong.

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It is difficult to insult the English. Try to come up with a good "zinger" of an insult.

Another thing is the influence of the Scotts. Like itbor not, the English would be little without the Scotts. A part of my UK heritage that I love is what my Scottish grandmother told me....If some tries to insult you you need to consider two things; either they are correct and that is some you need to change, or they are wrong and can be ignored.

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Pretty hard to argue with that. Too many people know because they know, they know, they know. Sounds like they are starting a song and you never get to the part that they know. This is because they don't know. 🙂

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You can't argue with them

bobwjr Level 10 Mar 10, 2022
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Are you including the quote from Stephen Fry to illustrate your indignation, or theirs? I've read several of his books and, above all he is a humorist, or satirist, and, I'm sure he must be an agnostic. I doubt that he would call himself an atheist because he has a very open mind. From the photograph, if it is contemporary with the statement, it must be an old quote.. I think I'll watch "Wilde" again. He was the perfect choice to play the title character, Oscar Wilde, who seems to have been undecided.

Stephen Fry is an unabashed atheist. He is wonderful, I love his humor.

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First of all your definitions are incorrect. "Theist" is a person who believes in a god, or gods. "Theism " is the belief in god. I'm sure you know that. As you tried to illustrate, "agnostic" is someone who is not sure that god exists. I think that is accurate because, as you say, it is impossible to confirm or deny the existence of god or gods.

I go a step further. I explain that I cannot call myself an atheist because many people use words to define what they consider "god" we must allow that there may be such a concept because there exist words to describe it.

Having said that, your premise is correct, but why does that upset you so? If they are content in their ignorance it's their problem, but to them it is not a problem, so their insistence, which they call "faith" has become more of a problem for you. You should know that you can never argue with a zealot. You can't win, so let them go. You may be giving credence to the adage, "When ignorance is bliss, it's folly to be wise".

Yes, I understand the definitions, I knew people would be smart enough to understand it.

If you do not have belief in god or gods then you are an atheist. If you believe in god or gods you are a believer. The context is religion (god: the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being), we are not talking about the "Money God," etc. ( an image, idol, animal, or other object worshiped as divine or symbolizing a god.)

If YOU are defining a "god" without evidence, then YOU are inventing that god, or YOU are repeating unsubstantiated claims about a contrived god that YOU believe to be true without evidence. Agnosticism is irrelevant because without evidence you cannot know, and without evidence why would anyone care?

Your comment: "If they are content in their ignorance it's their problem," is very naive. The world is filled with problems caused by believers and religion. More people should be offended and call them out on their delusions.

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I know this is not the intent of the post, but I will never let a racist, misogynistic or homophobic joke or comment slide by in random conversation without calling out the asshole.

That is partly the problem with Democrats these days. They are all afraid to offend anybody and obsessed with political correctness. When Biden or Kamala make a statement like "We must investigate whether Putin is responsible for alleged war crimes." ...Please, let's not risk offending the world's most dangerous madman!

@fishline79 Did they say "alleged."
I don't think so.
Saying alleged is a United States media thing before a criminal conviction for legal reasons.
Even if the crime is on camera I think media saying anything other than alleged is grounds for a mistrial.

I don't recall Biden or Harris saying "alleged" about what is happening in Ukraine.

@BufftonBeotch In a CNN news story they used the word "alleged". That is why I posted my comment of indignation. I didn't hear the comment first-hand but, as I said, Harris was also reported to have said they cannot know if the attacks on hospitals and child-care centers are accurate without further investigation. Who gives a shit if it is a 'war crime" or not! The whole campaign is a crime and he should pay for it. What should we say? "Oh, he hasn't bombed any hospitals or schools so let him go. No problem".

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I find the claim that one is offended to be offensive.

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I agree with you on that 😅😅😅😅

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IMO, no one has ANY 'right' to NOT be offended.

If they are offended, too bad for them. That’s their problem, nobody else’s.

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I won't engage with anyone who doesn't say up front that there is no proof. My first full time teaching job was at a catholic school. I have to admit, the guy with whom I got along best was a religion teacher. He agreed with me that absolutely no one had any proof - not a believer in miracles, etc; he also taught a very good ethics course, using Victor Frankls books.

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Exactly

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