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I live in Southwestern Ontario Canada. In a small town near me there has been a person tearing down the rainbow Flags. He has been charged with theft. Now lo and behold he somehow was granted permission to speak (with his delegation ) at a local council meeting. The Chair (The Mayor) let him go for 30 minutes where he quoted bible verses,equated the pride movement to Nazi youth - yes he did somehow ,and how this resulted in the Holocaust. Much more hate speech too. Yes he went down that road. Logic, facts be damned.
I cannot believe council let him go on for that long AND how the hell did he get on the agenda? Maybe some sympathizers on council? He belongs to the Netherlands reformed church , where they fully believe the bible word for word. This group is trying to worm their way into local politics too. They are scary folks, bereft of any logic. They are becoming a large group around here, selling their properties in Holland for huge dollars and coming here mostly as farmers.
The LGBTQ community are concerned as there is no respect for them at all and they fear for their safety.
NEW ITEM In another town nearby somebody id setting fire to flags and such at a business and leaving threatening notes - really threatening.
The police here are generally not really super interested in working these cases- lots of history on that.
One thing the religious cannot do , it seems, is mind their own damn business.
I just wanted to put this out there.
Religion Poisons Everything.

Tiredofdrama 5 July 6
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Be careful! Your proximity to us exposes you to all kinds of mental disease. There's even people trying to sell private health insurance in Canada!

Only health insurance I know of, is live a healthy lifestyle.

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I bet he wears clothes of a different weave. KILL THE UNBELIEVER !!

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There is a church Pastor in my local area that was showing up at local city counsel meetings saying gay peple should be convicted and executed with a bullet in the back of the head because of the Bible. The church was forced to leave their original location because that city had ordinances against hate speech, but they just moved to a nearby small city which didn't have such an ordinance. This Pastor showed up at that city's counsel meeting again advocating killing gay people.

The problem is that we in the US now have a hostile Supreme Court US willing to target this minority group led primarily by a member of another traditionally oppressed minority on the court. He has put his opinion in writing with the court's removal of women's reproductive rights explicitly saying the should take on (target and go after) the rights of gays along with other reproductive rights and family planning. It is a travesty that our legal system in the form of the Highest Court in the land feels so free to limit liberties of certain citizens. It is essentially against the spirit of the founding of this nation. It doesn't matter that traditions didn't allow same sex couples to marry or for racially mixed couples to marry. We have often broken with tradition - right from our founding - to expand the freedoms and liberties of our citizens, and not to restrict them to oppress certain segments of our population - much less to go killing them because of a warped religion which wants to institute archaic blood lusting laws from several millennia ago.

The beginning of the end. We are on a downward spiral trajectory in the US. Everyone who has fought for their rights here are in danger of losing any gains made in the past decades to this SCOTUS!

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I just put up a $500 reward for info on the assholes who shot fireworks INTO the local dog pound over the weekend...with 12 dogs inside 😟
money brings these lowlife types out..maybe organize an event to raise a reward?

Are the dogs alright?

@misstuffy physically yes but I cannot imagine being so stressed by being in a pound& then that happening...makes me feel sick thinking about it.

@AnneWimsey Yes, it would be stressful on the animals.

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Sounds a lot like Tillsonburg, ON - what a corrupt and backward dive of a town.

The Tillsonburg stuff was the "New Item" in my original post.Hate stuff happening there right now . Even in daylight. My girlfriend lived there for 40 years and was deeply enmeshed in the catholic community for a time. They ran everything.Do not know how much power they wield now. The Knights of Columbus did/do a lot of their dirty work.

@Tiredofdrama I used to live in London in the early 80's, down by the Old Vic Hospital, a pretty dodgy part of town according to our real estate agent, there had even been a stabbing in recent memory. I asked her if there were any shootings and she looked appalled, Heavens NO! she said; being a Toronto boy who had already been shot at twice and stabbed twice I said No Problem and bought the place on the spot.

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Very sorry to hear of your town's troubles. As far as letting the dumbass run his mouth in the town council, it's a shame that people had to be subjected to a lot of drivle. However, you might take solace in that if you give these assholes enough rope, they often hang themselves. Letting them drone on may just turn people off. Just trying to see the glass as half-full. 😂

Well you know, these guys that are so rabidly anti gay are usually found sooner or later in a motel with a child and a tube of lube.

@Tiredofdrama Hence the appellation "hypocrite."

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You need to get people together that feel the opposite and start protesting.

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If nothing will be done on the local level I would be thinking provincial and federal. There has to be laws against hate crimes on the books.

Note that I would NOT dwell on the religious aspect, focus on the hate. Call the Premier, call Ottawa. You didn't say whether you have RCMP or locals, RCMP may have dedicated personnel regarding hate crimes. Get names, badge numbers and leave your name keeping records.

Rinse and repeat. If others are also making phone calls regarding hate crimes (and not complaining about religion) progress will be made. Have all working the phones also keeping records.

If still no progress call the Globe and Mail. At that point there will be records at more than one agency 🙂

MizJ Level 8 July 6, 2022

It would be a municipal police force or the OPP because the Mounties are a federal force for the most part. The Ontario Provincial Police are the main police force in Ontario, outside of urban areas.

@SnowyOwl I have been in rural Canada and it was only RCMP. The OPP should be able to handle complaints regarding possible hate crimes. Not sure I would have as much confidence in a municipal department but if they have jurisdiction it would have to start there. I would want to make reports no matter what in case it escalates.

Unfortunately, a lot of hate is because of religious beliefs. Religion is a poison on our societies. It needs to be sent to the dustbins of history.

@misstuffy In the meantime members of the LGBTQ community may be at risk. My comments were intended as a game plan to help keep them safe. Fuck the haters. We can't change stupid but we can lessen stupidity's impact on society,.

@MizJ I agree. While I am not a member of that community, I fear for my friends who are.

@misstuffy [lop.parl.ca] Canadian laws regarding hate

@misstuffy No one should live in fear.

@MizJ I agree. We have issues with hate crimes in America.

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Religion is the greatest evil known to humanity.

Agreed, religion, whether from the Muslim, Christian, Jewish, or Mormon perspective has set the world back a thousand years.

So true!

@maikidagardner I absolutely mean ALL OF IT.
All the ones you mentioned, and every other one.

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Sad to hear the infection is spreading. The people of your community really must speak against this madness.

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I thought most government meetings allow only About 2 minutes for comments

twill Level 7 July 6, 2022

They are checking to see if the Mayor is a fundie or not. Calls for his resignation.
Going back to square 1 -Why was he and his delegation on the agenda anyway? That should be a hard no.

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Where was the rainbow flag 🌈 placed?

At the front entrance of his church?

On the public streets in the town. On light poles.

@Tiredofdrama

Then should be freedom of expression, unlike many other things happening these days

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As an American of Dutch descent; I am appalled at these actions. (The Dutch were responsible for most of the atrocities of the middle passage shipping human beings into enslavement.) I am appalled that they would move to Canada and try to push their beliefs on Canadians. This man obviously knows nothing of history. If he did, he would know that even before the Jewish were targeted for elimination, Hitler targeted others he deemed "undesirable" Children and adults alike with mental disabilities as well as physical. Atheists were targeted and so were homosexuals, labeled as deviants. There is no way the LGBQT community was responsible for what Hitler and his goonies did since they themselves were early targets. I hope the community was allowed to rebut his ridiculousness.

As the Dutch are known to state 'If you ain't Dutch then you ain't much' so I'm not surprised that they would push their religious dogma and hatred in Canada. Canada is a generally liberal and open country so new comers with more extreme views and beliefs often interpret this as weakness and try to exploit Canada's free and open culture, it takes a while but it ends up biting them in the ass. Just because Canadians are perceived as nice and polite does not mean that we won't punch you in the face if you push things too far.

@SnowyOwl I didn't think hardly anyone else knew that old saying of "IF you aint Dutch you aint much" It is heard a lot in Pella IA. I hope this new group from the Netherlands get their asses handed to them. We have the Dutch Reformed Church here and it is very strict. My Uncles belonged to it when they lived in Oskaloosa area.

@misstuffy The response is as follows 'The Dutch - Wooden Head, Wooden Shoes and Wooden Listen'. 😉

Yeah, this knothead and many others need to read more than one book -some history books would really be helpful in this case . Also to not cherrypick the one they do read quite so hard.

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In the U.S. such persons will do such things and when called out for how they are behaving, they will claim "religious persecution."

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The fascist movement is getting a foothold all over the planet. It's push back for everything going on. We can NOT let them win.

Yes the non crazies need to really keep an eye and to not let these people get anywhere with their bible based utopian fantasies.

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