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How do we end misogyny?

Tutankhamun 7 May 25
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Like racism, misogyny takes many forms and I seriously doubt there will ever be a single "cure" with universal utility and application. There's a bumper sticker posted on a car I drive past each morning that defines feminism as "the radical notion that women are people." Who could possibly disagree with that? Nobody. Still, we see disparity in wages, hiring, education, tenure, and advancement. The glass ceiling is still firmly in place and many women struggle to be taken seriously in business, science, engineering, and medicine. We've a long way to go.

Getting beyond bumper-sticker philosophy, what can we do to resolve these issues? One I would make is to educate not just "the boys", but the girls. Something I've seen in both the business world and the medical world is that "other women" are often the biggest problem in getting fair and equitable treatment in the workplace. Nurses, in particular, are said to "eat their young" -- doing everything in their power to bully, belittle, minimize, and sabotage the advancement of new hires and recent graduates. Likewise, an office environment I once worked in was absolutely toxic for young women entering the business -- a promising young executive was constantly under attack by the very people who should have been mentoring and helping "watch out" for her -- the administrative assistants (actually, they were still secretaries, clerks, and stenographers then) were bad, but the "other" female executives were % worse. The impression I got was that "she hadn't paid her dues or suffered the way we did" and that was somehow her fault. Yes, I'm a fat middle-aged white male with all that entails, but I can't forget the behavior I observed first-hand.

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By teaching our young boys not to be misogynist scumbags after growing up.

SJRao Level 2 May 26, 2018

I would have to agree. That is definitely a good start.

Excuse me?
You're saying boys a taught to be " misogynistic scumbags"?

That's quite the impressive display of misandry to denounce hatred.

You are exactly what is wrong with the world right now.

@QuintKnickers Interesting

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It's not possible without ending the inequality caused by capitalism first.

Racism, misogyny, homophobia etc. are all reward systems within our class hierarchy, used as refuges by the powerless and downtrodden.

Eg. An unemployed white man may derive comfort by comparing himself to those he deems inferior. He may be unemployed but at least he's not black or a woman, or gay...

Minorities and women become the natural scapegoats within our dysfunctional system of haves and have-nots.

It's all about suffering and human beings' common inclination to blame scapegoats.

Religion also plays its part too.

Ugh. I hate to say it but I agree. I have a strong desire to make humans better as a whole. No matter how unrealistic it may be.

And a truly depressing part is people making statements like that that are almost completely unaware of the fact that they are part of the one percent in this world

Which leads to wonderful situations where during International Women's day, (2016 or 17 i think...)One of the key issues was plus size fashions unavailability in women's clothing.

While, I kid you not. Completely ignoring the impoverished GIRLS being abused in the fashion industry

As opposed to 14 year old girls being imprisoned for life because of miscarriages in Guatemala.

You have self proclaimed feminist doing ridiculous things like complaining about some non existent thing like man spreading and man explaining

All while sitting in their privileged positions and ignoring true rape cultures such as Muslim cultures and Indian culture.

If people were realistic about what the true problems in society were, we might be able to make a start in fixing it.

Blaming one group in particular when all groups are responsible is how we continue this sort of cycle

Most of what you mentioned in your comment are ploys. Used by the ultra rich to divide us and keep us bickering amongst ourselves instead of addressing the true issue that causes inequality distribution of wealth.

Chomsky mentioned in one of his more recent interviews (if you wish I'll look it up for you and I couldn't agree with him more)

Never before have So few people in the history of mankind. Have there been men capable. And willing to mortgage the future of the entire species in the pursuit of profit.

The problem is for the vast majority of people as long as they have McDonalds and internet access, they're content to complain about the issues that they're told are the problems, as opposed to the real issues

@QuintKnickers

Just picking apart your rant...

No. Ordinary working class men and women are not part of the 1%. If they were it would not be a 1%. Or even the narrow strata that follows below, 15% of super wealthy.

You are correct about the hypocrisy, but often times the poor are forced to exploit the poor because they cannot afford to buy clothing from ethical retailers that cost ten times as much. So the cycle is reinforced.

Your most offensive comment is this -
"true rape cultures", which implies western culture is not culpable in any way whatsoever (see university rape culture) and rape in the West is somehow not as serious.

And Chomsky is only tolerated and allowed a platform by the mainstream media because he offers no proven solutions. None. He ridicules socialism/communism. He is no threat to the establishment.

@Ellatynemouth your definition of ordinary working class apparently only includes those within your culture.

While things are getting better in the world, I assure you we are not at the level where people who are not included in the one percent have access to the sort of luxuries you do.

What's truly offensive is that you think in any way the cultures we live within ( University or otherwise) in the west are even slightly comparable to a true rape culture.

It's fairly obvious you subscribe to the notion of women being victims still in western society. Which is an insane idea when actual facts are looked at.

Given that you mention something as ludicrous as "University rape culture" in comparison to actual rape cultures.

You are referring to the same culture in which somehow a woman is equal and yet..

Manages to maintain the same maturity and brain function as an underage child when it comes to alcohol.

And must therefore be allowed to retroactively take back consent and claim rape after having consensual sex the night before. If she had even one drink.

There is no true poverty in the west

It's insulting and entirely dismissive of people in true poverty and in true cultures of abuse for you to even suggest otherwise

but you go on looking at the world through your rose color glasses atop your one percenters position thinking that poverty is having the last gen iPhone.

@QuintKnickers

If you have the guts.... Research American tent cities.

@Ellatynemouth really? That's not true poverty. Western poverty is directly manufactured from cultural situations within the states.

I am well aware of tent cities

I Don't recall reading of people starving to death continually within them.

Has there been an outbreak an epidemic in one recently? Oh that's right there is health care for people in situations in the states and western society no matter where they are.

What's that you say the infant mortality rate for people who are living in situations like that in western civilization is relatively good?

You mean there is a McDonalds dumpster down the street they can just eat from if they want?

If you dare and have the guts, don't you look into what real poverty is?

The way We treat the most disadvantaged among us is disgusting I agree.

But the people in these tent cities are disenfranchised individual who at least had a fighting chance and still do. They're not starving to death and they're not dropping dead from diseases that they can't combat.

In places with true poverty, there is no medicine available. There is no garbage can filled with food.

In places with true poverty, life is much much cheaper than you seem to realize.

There are people that would sacrifice their children for the luxury of a tent city.

I lived on the streets as a child. It's not that bad.

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By getting rid of religion and feminism. The 3 wave is drowning past progress.

An egalitarian movement is needed.

And as Peterson says we need to realize equality of opportunity isn't the same as equality of outcome. The first is possible, the second is not.

I'm not familiar with third wave feminism but I shall have to do some research. I'm in full agreement with the egalitarian movement. In a perfect world I suppose

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Same way we end misandry and misanthropy.

Education

Agreed, but that will take a worldwide effort and redistribution of wealth.

Unfortunately that ain't gonna happen.

I recently did a poll on Facebook, out of curiosity. To see how many people would support a worldwide minimum wage of five dollars a day.

The replies were very depressing to say the least.

Can you give me an example of misandry...

@Ellatynemouth

@Ellatynemouth
misandry also known as androphobia.

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Some people will always be jerks. I don’t we’ll ever completely end any form of bigotry

Unfortunately I agree but I was still interested in what others thoughts are.

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One prick at a time

ha ha

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Decide once and for all who's making me a sandwich...

Dude is that supposed to be funny?

Looks like we found who's making me a sandwich !!!!

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Bury it in the back garden !

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Educating young girls.Elevate the social position of female doctors, law givers educators, scientists, writers and thinkers. Provide free and abundant healthcare and contraception. Encourage boys to experience the full range of human emotions and allow adults to explore sexuality freely, safely and without stigma.

Interesting note on that...

I am constantly surprised how many people in the medical industry including female doctors when referring to my family doctor will automatically use masculine pronouns.

I have had a female doctor my entire life.

Also I thoroughly agree with your sentiments.

But it displays your biased ( but I'm assuming unintentional ) misandry.

I was unaware that there were humans on earth that did not experience a full range of emotion. Your wording implies that boys need to be encouraged to do this?

I'm assuming you mean the boys don't cry mentality? That is as pervasive as girls are allowed to cry at the drop of a hat. Societal expectations are pretty non gendered issues?

When it comes to this sort of thing you make it sound like only women suffer or boys suffer from certain but different aspects of it?

(Kinda throwing some sideway misogyny in...)

As well there is many areas boy should be encouraged to seek employment. There's still a huge stigma attached to men and child care. To the point where people will call the police if a man is in a park with his child.

Perhaps it would be a good idea to just educate all children. Encourage them to be who they are and to respect others choices.

@QuintKnickers I think you entirely missed my point. You are talking from the position of a person from a wealthy western country.

@Amisja I'm sorry and you're not? You're having this conversation from some destitute part of the world with internet access and leisure time to do so?

And in this so called non western part of the world, women are doctors and what not, but just not given the status they deserve?

I think you don't really understand what privilege is to to tell you the truth we're both talking from that position.

And if you're not talking from that position, the issues you have brought up are worse than trivial.

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