In the past, people confronted me with the supposition that if I use expressions which use religious references, I am not agnostic. I disagree, and wrote a FB post about it at the time.
Which of these expressions do you hesitate to use, assuming they fit your dialect? Which do you use by accident?
Bless you, after a sneeze
Bless you, to indicate good will
Jesus Christ, as an expression of frustration
Jesus fucking Christ, if you swear in other circumstances
God damn you
Dammit
Go to Hell
God knows, as in no one knows
Heaven on earth, or seventh heaven
Heavens, as an expression of surprise
Thank God, as an expression of relief
Oh my God, as expression of surprise
Are there any other phrases in the dialect you share, which you avoid or try to avoid?
Oh lort. I still use most of them... though typically I don't say bless you if someone sneezes. Frankly, I don't see a point in saying anything other than, "need a tissue?"
Oh yes. My take on it is that these phrases have been integrated into the vernacular and, therefore, have lost most of their religious meaning. I don't use them for religious purposes, but more to express frustration or simply out of habit. I don't they have any religious meaning anymore.
My catholic college roommate used to say, "Judas Priest!"
Sure. It's just part of the shared cultural heritage. I don't use "I'll pray for you" because that personalizes it into an expression of personal religious belief. I might say "it's colder than a witch's tit" but that doesn't mean I believe in witchcraft or witches, or that in those who call themselves witches that there is some sort of thermal anomaly to their tits vs. the tits of the non-witches.
Having written this question, and reading responses, I have really noticed of myself that I do use quite religious expressions. Having been raised with no religion (I only noticed I was not Christian when I was 12 and my friends were getting commencement gifts; in my town you were Christian unless proven Jewish; upon short contemplation I noticed I did not believe in God, so it all made sense), I certainly did not learn them at home. I do not think I learned them from a partner or location. I think I must have started ironically
I say things like "Lord have mercy (on my [poor] soul)" "Sweet mother of Jesus" "Heavens above" "Lord save us"
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I use most of them that you mentioned, and at one time was upset with myself for hanging on to them. After a while though, I realized that they are just words, and not literal. I might also say Kiss my ass, Go fuck yourself, stupid bitch/dickhead/asshole, etc. They are just expressions I was raised with which express emotions or meaning. Granted, I may used expletives more often than I should, but I don't think I'm promoting religion by saying such things.
i say bless you, and often add that it is my own blessing, not god's, i am bestowing, and i have only two to spare.
i do not avoid any of the other expressions, although i usually add a middle initial to the jesus fucking christ. i've never been christian, by the way. somehow, oh richard dawkins doesn't work when you bang your toe or trip over the dog.
however, i do not say b.c. and a.d. i say b.c.e. and c.e. i do have my standards!
if i am for some reason actually speaking about jesus, i do not give him the title christians have given him. jesus wasn't even his real name, but at least it's just a name. christ is a title. i don't use it (except, as aforementioned, i am producing an excited utterance, in which case i am just using the expression as a sound).
i most certainly do not say stuff like "it's in god's hands," "it's god's will" or, other than a response to a sneeze, "bless you."
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I am fine with using religious terms in self- expression. Personal favorites include:
Christ on a crutch! - surprise and exhaustion
Fucking Hell! - variations on fuck
Good God! - exposure to a funky jam
Good Lord! - exposure to remnants of air from my vegetarian diet
I have others...
Btw ... I use Islamic greetings with Muslims and Shalom with Jews and call my of my Chinese friends comrades. Neither affects my "commitment" to atheism.
I have not put any real thought to it because they are just words. I don't want to put any meaning to it other than a phrase.
Interesting point ... i can't think of an atheist equivalent ... perhaps all the vast rest of the language is a reference to normality.
Yes, I use these terms all the time. Whether it is for swearing or just to be ironic or funny.
βHoly Mother Of God, thatβs the dumbest thing Iβve heardβ
βJesus Fucking Christ youβre stupidβ
Usually I do try to avid certain references like, βact of Godβ, βGod Knowsβ...etc. Sometimes at work, however I will use those terminologies to get my point across to those who believe. I try to remain professional and respectful of otherβs beliefs and will adapt to my surroundings.
If I'm being honest.. I still use most of them..accept on AG...for two reasons.
It a force of habit which is deeply wired in through ingrained language and culture.
When communicating with Thiests..which I must do since they are family, friends, work colleagues..and the wider community..I need to communicate expressions like "go to he'll!" Like I really mean it.....
Not go to that place that in my opinion does not exist..finding an alternative..is just not an alternative for me..life is too short...
If I'm being honest.. I still use most of them..accept on AG...for two reasons.
It a force of habit which is deeply wired in through ingrained language and culture.
When communicating with Thiests..which I must do since they are family, friends, work colleagues..and the wider community..I need to communicate expressions like "go to he'll!" Like I really mean it.....
Not go to that place that in my opinion does not exist..finding am alternative..is just not an alternative for me..life is too short...
I use a lot of them, mostly without much forethought, because it is habit and they have no religious meaning to me. Sometimes I refrain if I think someone might be offended by say, a Jesus Fucking Christ. However, I never say bless you to indicate good will and don't like when others say it to me. Not sure why it is more distasteful, maybe it feels more like the invocation of some spirit.
Also for sneezing I am more in the gesundheit camp, since that is what I heard growing up.
I don't avoid religious speak. Its nothing more than colloquial vernacular with nothing reverental involved. I will say, " my hand to Jesus/heaven/god" but I also say things like "Jesus fuck" "jumping jesus on a pgo stick", etc.