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Did Billy Graham do anything that injured our society?

No question that he had a huge influence on conversions but did it help or hurt society?

alon 6 May 25
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Perhaps everyone has both injured and improved society in some way to some extent. I wonder if liberal atheists/agnostics think Graham or Trump has injured our society more. Off the cuff I would say Trump.

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Off the cuff I'd say you were wrong. Off the cuff I'd say Graham helped pave the way for Trump. He was a politically active televangelist, after all.

@1of5 Interesting.

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Yes. He fathered Franklin.

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Anybody who promotes godism does a great deal of harm to others.

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It did nothing but hurt.
ALL religion is evil.
Graham was just another delusional religutard.
His son is even worse.

I have no respect for any of it.
I only tolerate it because it's the law.

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Of course he did. He pushed a lie to millions of people, and they bought it. He made a lot of money doing it, which meant he was a fucking hypocrite too. His son is as dumb as a bag of hammers. So you can add spawning that douche bag to his offenses.

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Hell yeah! He proselytized crazy beliefs for money and fame. And these stupid beliefs to this day endangered the entire world and future of the planet. Instead of loving nature and the planet he misdirected emotion toward a plastic figurine. The Incas of South America called his divine living Christ "the little man on a stick." That sums up the entire religion.

Consider this: the destruction of nature and the animal world would never have happened if people realized that humans were part of nature and the animals our phylogenetic cousins. All living creatures have the same genetic code!

Also, even worse, Graham told his sheep that Christ is going to return and destroy the Earth with that Revelation bullshit. I ask the reader: Would you take care of a house that you knew was going to be destroyed? That's part of the reason the world is so polluted and messed up.

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He stated many times that women should be obedient to men. That is all it takes for me to say "that is harmful."

SKH78 Level 8 May 26, 2019
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He was an opportunist who walked through the open door offered to him first by William Randolph Hearst with the "puff Graham" edict to the Hearst newspaper empire, and then by the Eisenhower administration with its idiotic equating of religion with patriotism, and never looked back. He became a fixture in every White House since then until his dotage.

I think the greatest harm he did was to conflate religion with government and to nudge the evangelical movement towards the pursuit of temporal power, which really began to gather steam in the 1980s with the Moral Majority and the decision to elaborate and bring front and center the notion that "life begins at conception", and culminated ultimately in Trumpism and the complete collapse of even the pretense of moral and ethical leadership on the part of the movement.

Also he did the world no favors in producing the hellspawn that is Franklin Graham, although of course a lot of that is on Franklin.

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He promoted myth as truth.

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We have a generational delusion. Anything that discourages critical thinking and skepticism harms the intellectual potential of a population. Graham shares Huge culpability for the corruption of the Bible Belt.

Ha! I remembered this video. I forgot he was talking about Graham.

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He opened his mouth.

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Yes. Yes he did. He convinced millions to believe in fairy tales and that they should pay him for lying to them, sometimes at the cost of their own futures and well being and at the cost of their family's futures and well being.

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He spent a lifetime spreading religious bullshit on a global platform which helped to keep mankind enslaved to its ignorance, intolerance, and superstition for an additional 100 years so, yeah, he hurt society quite a bit.

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In a word - yes. graham allowed government to co-opt his religion. He allowed the line between church and state to get very blurry to benefit his and his followers brand. The government used him via his outreach missions in South America, influence how religious folks in American thought and ultimately voted. graham used the government to sucker in people with the fairy tales and lies. he directly benefited with manna from heaven raining down as thousands sent money and accolades his way. People looked up to him and he had power. What a fucking hypocrite and he reproduced!!! Son is even crazier and mean. IMHO

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Well, I would respectfully submit as an agnostic that he did harm to society, you know, since religion is all bullshit! He probably had no more proof than anyone else that there is a a god. I believe he lived a more humble life than Joel Osteen, however! Of course, all of these religious types think they're doing the best thing that they can possibly do for society!

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He spread belief in an imaginary man that you had to give your life to and serve forever. His ideas of "conversion" were manipulated for fame and fortune.

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I my opinion, not personally. However, plenty of copy-cat evangelicals have harmed humanity using his concepts and politicians using his name or guidance indirectly have worsened or prolonged situations. On a person to person level his civil rights days changed much and for the better.

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Charlatan turd . . . .

THHA Level 7 May 26, 2019
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Oh lordy, there were tapes.

"At first, Graham denied comments Haldeman made in his book, "The Haldeman Diaries" that Graham and Nixon had disparaged Jews in a conversation following a prayer breakfast in Washington D.C. on Feb. 1, 1972. Haldeman said Graham had talked about a Jewish “stranglehold” on the country.''Those are not my words," Graham said in May 1994. ''I have never talked publicly or privately about the Jewish people, including conversations with President Nixon, except in the most positive terms.''

Graham was believed and the matter dropped until 2002 when tapes from Nixon’s White House were released by the National Archives. The 1972 conversation between Nixon and Graham was among those tapes, and Graham had to face the fact that he had been recorded saying the things of which Haldeman accused him.The tapes proved damning.''They're the ones putting out the pornographic stuff,'' Graham had said to Nixon. The Jewish ''stranglehold has got to be broken or the country's going down the drain,'' he continued.Graham told Nixon that Jews did not know his true feelings about them.

''I go and I keep friends with Mr. Rosenthal (A.M. Rosenthal) at The New York Times and people of that sort, you know. And all -- I mean, not all the Jews, but a lot of the Jews are great friends of mine, they swarm around me and are friendly to me because they know that I'm friendly with Israel. But they don't know how I really feel about what they are doing to this country. And I have no power, no way to handle them, but I would stand up if under proper circumstances.''

"Rosenthal was the Times' executive editor.After the release of the tapes, Graham was horrified, according to Grant Wacker, a Duke Divinity School professor who wrote a book about Graham. He publicly apologized and asked for forgiveness from Jewish leaders in the country."He did not spin it. He did not try to justify it," Wacker told NPR. "He said repeatedly he had done wrong, and he was sorry."''I don't ever recall having those feelings about any group, especially the Jews, and I certainly do not have them now,'' Graham said in 2002 when the tape was released. ''My remarks did not reflect my love for the Jewish people. I humbly ask the Jewish community to reflect on my actions on behalf of Jews over the years that contradict my words in the Oval Office that day.''

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they say forgiving those who have hurt you is a good thing, that it promoted peace of mind. too bad for me. i do not forgive him, and oddly enough, i do not expect that to interfere with what is left of peace of what is left of my mind. he was just another lying shit.

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Yes, promoting religion...

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Religion and Theism injures society. If you are religious, you are an accomplice if nothing else.
I've heard it said, "I don't believe in (fill in the blank), I just believe in a religion and a book that does."

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All he ever did was suck up to any all politicians, especially ever president, in his lifetime, mostly republican Fascists!

He and his family have made nothing but money $$$$millions and $$$millions upon $$$millions pushing his gateway drug of religious dogma for pure greed!

His dogma has turn this country into spiritual civil war pitting religious families against other religious families for pure power and greed over others using his book of death to enlighten those who will follow the Judas goat to slaughter!

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One good thing he did was to turn away from the Calvinist version of hell.

Even though IMO traditional Christianity is a sham, I can not deny that many people have a psychological need for such shams. If millions of people say that Christianity has helped them to live better lives, who am I to argue? We are all entitled to our opinions. There are no absolutes.

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He hurt my TV by just being on it

lerlo Level 8 May 26, 2019
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According to arcane historian Arthur Evans in his book Witchcraft and The Gay Counterculture, some amount of Billy Graham's outreach groups in Latin America and elsewhere were a front for US intelligence services (CIA, NSA, etc,) checking online I found this thread that dove-tails with a similar account: [deeppoliticsforum.com]

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Yes, exist!

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