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What did Satan do anyway?

Serious question for some of you who know more about the bible than me. I was raised atheist and only know basics I picked up from culture. Sorry if it's a repeat.

Why exactly is Satan evil? What did he do that was wrong? I only see the posts from atheists here and elsewhere that seem to make him an abnormally moral character than others in the raping torturing baby murdering text. Am I missing something?

MsAl 8 Aug 29
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He went down to Georgia to enter a fiddle contest and lost, or so the story goes.

@Winkiedink54 I don't know what Charlie Daniels take on that would be.

@Winkiedink54 Maybe Duck Dynasty would have something to say to that. They seem to be into bird calls.

That fiddle contest was rigged. I can tell you as a musician, the devil's fiddle playing was way more impressive.

Was that before or after he had the flat on his Chevy?

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There is no satan, all made up shit so who the fuck cares about something that doesn't exist.

@creative51 i don't like to waste my time in useless subjects.

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As a former Mormon, I was taught that Satan was selfish and wanted to take all the glory of God on himself and he would guarantee every soul would return to heaven. Jesus had other ideas and God chose Jesus plan over Satan's.So Satan rebelled against God and was tossed out of heaven (or pre-heaven). Satan then vowed to do everything he could to frustrate and disrupt Jesus' plan which God accepted. Sounds so silly explaining it now.

Since leaving Christianity, I have read that Satan was not really a significant character in Judaism until after contact with the Persians and Zoroastrianism. This Persian religion has two opposing deities one encouraging mankind to do good and the other to do evil. This concept was adapted and Satan was assigned to the evil deity. Prior to this contact God was good and rebellious man was evil. Satan didn't factor into the equation.

Some other concepts adapted from Zoroastrianism are the idea of the end of the world and the great judgement of all mankind. According fo what I read, the Hebrews didn't have an end times scenario in their religion until this contact with Persians.

@RussRAB Yes, but what do you call an Zoroastrianism Believer? A Zoroist? And, are there many out there nowadays?

@twill - Zoroastrian numbers are estimated between 110,000 to 120,000 most living in India and Iran according to Wikipedia. The numbers are believed to be in decline in the present day. The decline began in the 7th century with the expansion of Islam.

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Never existed 🤷🏻♂️

whether god exists is irrelevent .....what the sects claim about god is......

@blzjz also irrelevant

@KrypticKalEl hey thanks for that....I have no pickle up my ass about my revelence...

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I know Satan drinks a lot of bourbon and smokes a pipe.

I believe that is his cousin, Santa.

"I tell you its the devil..."

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all I know is he went down to Georgia lookin' for a soul to steal. I heard he was behind on his quota and rather desperate.

The best! 😂

I'd forgotten that one😊

He was way behind, he was in a bind

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Well....After the contradictions made me an unbeliever, i continued to study the bible finding more and more absurdities. i noticed that the book had god doing things that we were specifically told were evil, sinful, and wicked. So i wondered how many...and kept finding more. Then I wondered...does Satan do any evil. And the worst thing i could find him doing was smiting job with boils. Everything he was accused of, GOD is found doing. So, WHO created evil, brings forth evil, speaks evil, has evil thoughts, sends forth evil spirits, murders, threatens to spread poo in his people's faces AND make them eat their babies, has smoke coming out of his nostrils and fire coming out of his mouth, and horns????? Not Satan. god.

This is exactly what I was getting at! I just don't have quite the background in knowledge to back it up but that's what it always sounded like.

@MsAl I have a HUGE list of bible verses where god is doing the very things the bible calls evil... studied this a while back when I was debunking the bible..the perfectionist in me couldn't stop, lol. I will be glad to share. Just message me if you are interested.

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I just noticed.... when referring to 'god' many people still use a capital 'G'.....an irrelevant god needs no cap!

blzjz Level 7 Sep 1, 2019

I don't usually capitalize the G in god. Sometimes if I'm referring to a specific god, I'll capitalize it like I would any other name. Oh and sometimes my spellcheck will capitalize it and I don't even realize it.

spell check does that for me. sometimes I undo it, sometimes I let it go. It is a proper known when used refering to hin, even if he is imaginary

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Read the Babble....actually there was no Satan, it was the Son of Gowd (one of them?!?) named Lucifer that went wrong.....

Love the tv show “Lucifer “. He is depicted as god’s Son.

@bradnyijuan just found it on Netflix...binge watching!

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So the story goes, The Archangel and most beloved of God, Lucifer attempted to usurp the throne of heaven and led a rebellion of one third of the other angels in a war in heaven, thus mass expulsions, to earth for the renamed former Archangel, Satan and his legions. Nice garden spot to drop the lot off, don't you think?

I do believe, as many stories in the Bible go, there is more than one version of the tale. The Muslims have their spin on a similar tale.
Then there are another 200 Angels, that get cast out later, Thus the tale of the Watchers.

So basically Satan, Lucifer, the old dragon and few other names get blamed for most if not all the evil in the mythos. As there are many denominations and traditions, lots of other non-canonical tales get added by various denominations and cultures. Our modern mishmash of tales about Satan don't really add up. If that helps much. lol

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One or two people here have pointed out that Satan/ satan is a title not a name, but the satan is not the same through the bible. In fact several satans appear early on as loyal helpers of god, there is no reason to believe from the bible that the snake in the Garden of Eden is the same thing as any of the others, in fact it seems to be just a snake. Here is quite a good video history you may enjoy.

@Bierbasstard Never heard of the snake being Lilith, but I bet someone came up with that story.

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no such thing as satan. the only god that exists is the personification of the universe.

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This popped up in my YouTube list tonight. Good timing!

LOVE this! Thank you!

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I'm pretty sure he invented Rock & Roll.

Thank him for me, would you please?

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He’s seen as an entity of evil. Others have pointed out that he changes through the Bible due to the myriad of authors, but most Christians (my former self included) typically interpreted him to mean a single entity.
As for what he did, he was a former arch angel named Lucifer who was far greater than any of the other angels let alone humans which is why he rebelled against god who he saw as unjustly favoring the human saying to god “thou didst make me out of fire and he out of clay”. This rebellion was the reason for god kicking Lucifer out of heaven. He’s then attributed to bringing sin into the world in the garden of Eden although the snake is never actually identified as being satan and Christians typically use him as the excuse for evil/hardship in the world (ignoring the fact that this is another example of the problem of evil).
As for why he’s viewed as moral in the atheist community, I’d guess it’s either for irony/mocking Christian logic (especially for the former believers) or the fact that we see actions of their adherents. In the US at least, many times when evangelicals try to erect a religious statue they’re often stopped solely because the satanists will then erect a statue using the same logic (that and they do a lot of outreach programs for underprivileged youth for education without the indoctrination of Christians).

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Satan dindu nuffin!

Actually, it's not even clear that Satan killed those 10. If you read it closely, 'a fire from god out of heaven' killed some, and a whirlwind killed some others. (god is in the whirlwind according to another verse) But Satan did smite job with boils...that is the only thing in the whole book he is did bad....

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Satan, the "fallen" angel created by a perfect god?
Well, apparently he questioned god and tossed up the B.S. flag a few times pre- creation.
Lucifer (the most prized angel, also had followers)
They say Satan's favorite song was "Anything you can do, I can do better". God got pissed and tossed him (SATAN) and his followers out of heaven.
Long story short.

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Donotbelieve mostly covered it. As far as I remember his main sins were pride, envy of god, and attempting to make himself as god; the same sin he passed onto man in genesis. He was a revolutionary against the first authority figure, the one who demands he never be questioned. He’s the unstoppable force that met the immovable object.

Others have rightly pointed out that Satan was a composite character, moreso a title that got branded on most anything considered evil. It wasn’t until relatively recently in world history, the last few hundred years probably, that Satan was understood to be one single entity. Same as the many different words and concepts that were translated into Hell; they just had this derogatory single term that they would keep applying to more and more things that they didn’t like. Satan represented multiple people and ideologies; hell was multiple places and states of mind.

Lucifer was the morning star, representative of the planet Venus, the brightest object in the night sky other than the moon. He was the angel of music, and exceptionally beautiful. Also described as the great deceiver and supposedly everything he says is a lie, although he seemed to be fairly honest about the effects of eating the fruit. At worst he was an equivocator, not really mentioning the downside to the temptation is that dads gonna be angry but I think they knew that.

Initially he just refused to blindly follow orders. Looking at his mythology objectively, he’s the first entity to ever exercise free will, rebel against authoritarianism, and suggest that people do the same. For this reason he’s a favorable figure in skeptical study of mythology, and many nontheists like Church of Satan see him as a symbol of personal agency and the adversary of authoritarians. He’s only dangerous to Christianity and oppressive ideologies because he represents critical thinking and merit based loyalty. If people listened and followed, that would be the end of them and their false authority. When you’re trying to protect your lies you’ve got to accuse everyone who knows the truth of being a liar.

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In NZ there are 1000's of Christian Churches,Cathedrals,Temples etc that are open 9am and closed(locked) at 7.30pm depending on Evening Services. There are roughly 5000 Families requiring Accmodation Urgently as there Welfare benefits or Wages don't cover Subsistence needs like Rent,Food,Electric.......... =So with that 1000's Empty Curches, unable to be accessed after 9pm, why is there Homelessnes and Hunger(Lack of Food)=Why can this issue not get ssorted by Central Govt,Local Govt and Churches???=Isiah 58 vs7 for instance. Some Churches have very fine Outreach Programs that fulfil some of the needs of Poverty issues like Homelessness,Food....... but the point is Churches are dying due to lack of (Falling) Congregations when the answer is right in front of them=UNLOCK THE CHURCHES 24/7 till the whole of the issue of Homelessness and Poverty Issues are behind us=The Churches could Enlist Congregation Members to 'do Gods work' (increases Faith presumably) for the poor,destitute,hungry,homeless People 'in need' of all kinds including The ill Physically and Mentally. I don't think its fair that Churches have turned God in to a Nine to Fiver and for the rest of the time over night The Churches arent Places of Refuge if you are Hungry Tired or Cold they are sealed shut for fear The Poor may break in and take things to sell,ironically perhaps to feed their Families. Churches should reflect Gods wishes and Congregations The Vehicle of those wishes and the Nett result would be The General PublicCongregation,Other Churches would SEE the Church in Action 24/7 and a great help in these times of the outcome of the 1980-2019 Failed Trickle-Down Economic Experiment that went so terribly wrong and did not feed down to The Poor, The ill etc(those on 'the bottom of the heap'😉 that was promised with The Economic Reforms of The 80's especially, that brought Privatisation,Corporatisation,Rationalisation and a steady stream of Jobless Unemployed Homeless(some Mortgagee Sales=Banks want their$$$) and give each Country an accepted Unemployment level at circa 3.5% to keep demands on Wage Rounds down therefore no added costs on goods to pay for Wage Rounds therefore kept Inflation down. The Poor are just pieces in a Economic Chess Game to keep $$$ flowing up. Come on Churches its time 'TO DO GODS WORK' if you believe in a) A Monotheistic God. b) Isiah 58 vs 7.

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From what I gather all the stories about the character Satan was guilty of was making people think differently about any given situation to emphasize that they should not think for them selves.

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I could be mistaken (I often am) but I don't believe Satan appears in the Bible at all. That character could be implied by the snake in the Garden of Eden story, but it isn't clear.

I thought Satan was invented by Danté or Milton or somebody.

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To certain religious people Satan is real, so looking at it from that viewpoint, lets start unpacking what 'he' did.
Firstly, freedom of speech, then democracy, and pursuit of happiness. Compare this against the 'sheep' who follow the rules of God. There are a lot of rules which must be adhered to, or else end up daemon dinners.
Intrinsically if you wish to look at the six basic tenants of American government, then this is what Satanic worship is all about, hence why many in the Muslim world claim the USA to be the great Satan.
Another way to look at it is... All that happens is part of Gods plan, and so the Devil is only doing Gods bidding.
In conclusion, Satan's wrongs are freedom.

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What I was taught was Satan decided he was equal to God. God didn't like that, so he cast Satan and his followers out of heaven.

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"Satan," and "God," are mythological figures created by MEN who had NO concept of science. NO concept of how everything came into existence, and so they feared everything, and began to create answers to explain the unexplainable (we still do that today. It's a Human thing). In their understanding there must be powerful figures who created and control everything. They didn't think in terms of "A" God, but in terms of "gods." So volcanoes, floods, hurricanes, plague, WHATEVER, must be the work of these "god's" that man has angered somehow.

Modern day phony "Christians" STILL try to use that argument (but of the ONE "god" ) to convince people that homosexuality, for example, is evil, and that hurricane that just devastated your state was caused by an angry (vile) "god" as retribution for trying to implement gay rights. And so on.

These "true-believers" NEVER grew out of that ancient mindset and religious indoctrination ensures that they never will.

When I was 12 I was looking through my dad's bookcase for something to read, and I happened up a catalog entitled "The Hunter's Bible." WHOAH! It stopped me dead in my tracks! That sacred book I carried every week to Sunday School was the only "Bible" I had ever heard of! This was a catalog of books or other catalogs, etc. that you could order.

Hmmm, in that same bookcase was a Webster's Dictionary, so I looked up "bible," and read the definition, and the scales, as they say, dropped from my eyes. It said "Bible: A book of books." It was then I realized the cherished "Bible" was not a sacred book, written by the hand of "God," but a book...of BOOKS! Written by MEN! scientifically ignorant men, thousands of years ago.

Sorry I digressed, but, in reality, in order to keep people in FEAR and in CONTROL, leaders must have an evil force that can be presented to the masses. "God" and "Satan" and infinite pain and punishment and suffering in "HELL" filled the bill for centuries. Today it still exists, but along with more realistic, believable evils, such as "Communism," "Socialism," WOMEN! GAYS! MUSLIMS! Brown and BLACK people! In all cases, "people" should be in quotations, because, as we see, especially today, the very humanness of these evil enemies are called into question on a daily basis. It's nothing new, it's just a return to 5th century thinking, in the (certain) knowledge that the "poorly educated," "happily stupid" citizen will fall for it. And they DO! Over and over and over again!

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🤣This thing is making my emoji trans🤣
I put in the guy and when I hit the button to post the comment it's automatically switched to the female emoji in the comment.

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