This is a website for atheists and agnostics. As an atheist since age 13, I don't believe in an invisible being that resides somewhere beyond the clouds.
For me, it's not up for debate. At 13, I realized the Bible is just stories written by men.
I'm tired of hearing about an imaginary god.
Your thoughts?
It is Agnostic.com, not atheists.com. I can ignore the statements I don't like, or engage with logical banter. So, some people have questions - why not answer, rather than act like an evangelical and start closing one's ears. I would suggest that we are here to be better people in ourselves and not to make others better people.
As I see it , a couple of factors come into play. Some are relieved to be able to say any damn thing they want regarding gods and religion, and not have their heads chopped off for it - so to speak.
And, the fact that many here are profound thinkers, not afraid to explore and question, results in the exploration of thought. Open minds are a wonderful thing !
For those like yourself, who would rather avoid any more "what if" discussions, there's plenty of other subject matter to immerse in. Enjoy !
Well stated.
I have noticed that when people first land here, they are thrilled to finally be in a "safe" environment where they can spew, or observe, or ask questions. Yes, oftentimes they want to ask profound religious-related questions. I let them do their thing. I am not here to debate religion with anyone. I am well-grounded in my Atheism, but I'm glad we have this place where we should be able to discuss whatever we choose.
i always wonder if some of the people who have been atheists for all/most of their lives really think about what itâs like to be religious for a long time before identifying as an atheist. i really appreciate discussion about religion (specifically, i watch a lot of atheist youtubers responding to religious apologetics/âscienceâ claims, etc) because iâm still unlearning a lot of bullshit. i can see that if you arenât in that same place, it might seem annoying, but on a forum like this, youâre going to get people from all points of leaving religion. you could always start/join a group if you really want to talk to other atheists without any discussion of religion.
I agree, but it is supposedly what "binds us together as a group" and shit so will be a common topic.
I think we should explore the mythology behind Grimm's Fairy Tales myself. Much more interesting, better moral teachings, and much much less genocide.
Don't forget Whinny the Pooh.
@OldMetalHead I did not know that bit about China, thank you for sharing, I will look that up.
If not here, where?
Some people enjoy making fun of beliefs in ways that may be considered unacceptable elsewhere. Others appear to be in transition, still questioning their own beliefs.
I'm fine with all of it until some asshole starts arguing that atheism is a dishonest position, or that it's also a "belief system."
And, if anyone is about to argue with me about that, I'll say, in advance and most respectfully...
Go fuck yourself.
@attila
You'll be okay... you probably just need a nap.
I pretty much skip those posts. I've read their views and am simply tired of responding to or reading them.
Ocasionally I am uncomfortable with some of the posts or they catch me the wrong way so i just do not engage and let it pass,,in a few minutes i will most likely have forgot all about it.We all have our hot and cold buttons,,just have to respect each other
Couldnât agree more. Iâm so tired of going over the same ground that I donât answer most of these posts any more.
I feel it's probably by those who are still not certain of their beliefs (technically non-beliefs) and want to clarify their thinking. Those like me, who are interested in theology, even though we don't believe a word of it, tend to respond and keep the threads going.
I also keep an open mind and read this kind of thing because, who knows, someone may have a logical argument that I've never seen before that will make me believe, against all expectation, in the existence of some god. It hasn't happened yet and I don't expect it, but just in case...
I can appreciate your position, but there are a few factors you may be discounting.
Some on this site have escaped upbringings in dogmatic views of religion, discussion and rationalization of what they experienced is a part of psychically healing from this experience.
Also, we cannot ignore the fact that "the gods" are alive and well in the minds of most humans on this planet, which is no small affair IMO. Unfortunately many if not most on this site and in atheism in general are not quite ready to move beyond "Mere Atheism" and go beyond discussions of the "weapon and caliber" of the "bullet" they have just ducked.
Careful Hiker, I've broached that question a couple of times before over the last year and was thoroughly castigated as being intolerant and too judgmental. But I keep coming to the same conclusion as you as well. Lol
Bring on intolerant and judgmental.
Makes for robust discussion!
When confronted with such questions - always turn to the source of all truth: Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
âNow it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as the final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God. The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist,'" says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.â
It's great that you were able to slip away before it really messed with your head. I'm glad to hear that was the case for anybody, let alone several others who replied here. However, a lot of the people who find their way here are looking to escape religion and various beliefs. This is a more profound journey than you portray as it will likely involve going through the stages of grief as well as all of the problems of any cult escapee. This crap is in their brains so deep and backed up with a fate that is literally worse than death. That's a lot to process. Many people need to know it's ok to give that crap up. They are also angry and lashing out about it all in a safe forum. I know I needed that when I finally was prepared to give it all up and face reality.
Another point is that this is "Agnostic.com" and these people are seeking information, knowledge.
My final thought - reading the various posts is a voluntary act. I skip over who knows how many posts every day. Read the ones that catch your interest and only those.
When I was 13, Michigan had a hard winter. My little brother, 10, and I read the World Book Encyclopedias together.
Reading about rational philosophers Spinoza and Descartes inspired me. In the 1600s when heretics were burned at the stake, they bravely were anti-theist (anti-god), anti-clergy and anti-church.
Their writings inspired the Age of Enlightenment, a European intellectual movement of the 17th and 18th centuries that emphasized the use of science and reason to advance understanding of the universe and to improve the human condition. The goals of the Enlightenment were knowledge, freedom, and happiness.