"I don't belive in an invisible being that resides somewhere beyond the clouds," I say to Jehovah's Witnesses. This shuts them up. While they puzzle, I laugh and shut the door.
crappyburglar, I wasn't laughing at them. I was laughing at my smart-aleck remark.
I also say, "We are all atheist here." They give up. Jehovah's Witnesses don't stop by anymore. They must have gotten the word out.
I mainly just ask the hard questions that I know will require them to contradict themselves, then smile while they struggle. I'd rather give them something tough that they'll be chewing on long after I've left the scene than win a small, but short lived, battle.
Great method, try to get them on a Monday so it can germinate for six days before they go back to the cult for reinforcement of the delusion.
I don't tend to start debates, but if a Christian finds out I'm am atheist and confronts me, I'm not gonna back down from one. Right of the rip ill quote exodus 21 that condones slavery, paul's letters that make women second class citizens, the psalm that says you should be happy while smashing the heads of your enemy's infants, and the command to kill witches. Most Christians have never been confronted with this stuff and they just kinda stare at you. Some who have a bit of debate experience will do the religious tapdance, tell you that you are taking it out of context, and have some elaborate story to explain it away.
Yeah, like there's a way to take 2 pages of slavery instructions out of context
No I don't get frustrated because I don't get into debate mode with them. The conversations with my "god" friends/ co-workers/ acquaintances are mostly based on me listening and trying to assess just how deeply into their particular delusion. I don't want to have unnecessary conflict with anyone really.. so I find it helpful to know what buttons exist for them to be pushed and then do my best to avoid pushing them. That said.. I don't spend any significant amount of time "hanging out" with "god"folk.
Not really. Yeah, it can get tiresome, but the look on their faces after it's done is always worth it.
My Mom gets mad at me. She keeps telling me that as one gets older, one's religion gets stronger. I just get more militant. I was with a Catholic woman for 4+ years, and it didn't work out in ways I've described elsewhere. With all of eternity and all of the universe supposedly at their fingertips, the world I entered by being with her was so so so so small, and I was always treated like an intruding stranger. She asked me near the end if I thought there was a historical Jesus. I said I didn't know, but it didn't matter to me. Because we have Roman law codes from the time, there was no tomb to be full or empty. She got mad. I showed her a Bart Ehrman lecture where he discussed the different goals of the different gospels. She got mad.
I would like that if I could find one that could do it intelegently, when they say it’s a matter of faith they are saying I don’t care about facts, effectively they aren’t listening after that. Also I am probably just as bad from their perspective since I’m not going to except faith or personal experience that occurs only inside them as evidence of anything but delusion.
No, I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person. It's a whole lot like trying to teach a pig to sing, it annoys the pig and wastes your time.