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LINK Did Journalist Dorothy Kilgallen's Probe of JFK's Assassination Lead to Her Death? | HowStuffWorks

On 22/11 shall we also remember Dorothy Kilgallen?

The article doesn't go into these details, but on the day she died she had returned from a trip, told a number of people she was writing a piece that would be explosive about JFK 22/11/63, went on her tv program, was sharp as a pin, left, was seen being approached by two men, and then went home and 'committed suicide', being found in a bed she never slept in. The scene was so staged it was a joke. All her research disappeared too. Funny that.

Another CIA 60s crime? It's either suicide, like Jeffrey Epstein, or overdose, like Dorothy or Marilyn. They're not very imaginative, but at least they got away with it for a while back in the 60s. These days not so much, as Jeffrey's story showed. That story didn't last a day's news cycle.

Remembering Dorothy Kilgallen. They took her life and ruined her reputation, but history has caught up, as history does, eventually.

David1955 8 Nov 22
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Dorothy Kilgallen did not kill herself so much as drink and drug herself to death, and it was never claimed she committed suicide. Her death was determined to have been caused by a combination of alcohol and barbiturates. Regarding whether it was a suicide or accidental death, New York City medical examiner James Luke's report stated, “acute ethanol and barbiturate intoxication, circumstances undetermined”.

Her supposed "bombshell" private interview with Jack Ruby was a brief conversation during a recess at Ruby's trial, in full view of dozens of people. She had also already leaked Ruby's testimony to the Warren Commission well before her death, and, quoting Newsweek,

It was just another in a long series of leaks. Although the commission has tried to maintain a screen of secrecy, it has been as effective as a sieve. While the leakage has been kept to a minimum in Washington, newsmen in Dallas and other cities have easily breached commission security. Not only have some of the 543 witnesses and their attorneys been "cooperative," but the commission, as a matter of legal etiquette, has provided them with verbatim transcripts of their testimony. In such an atmosphere, it is surprising that the Ruby testimony wasn't published in full before now.
Certainly, the 102-page document, at least the Kilgallen version, contained a great many fascinating insights into Ruby's deteriorating state of mind, his attorneys' inability to restrain their erratic client, and Chief Justice Warren's infinite and understanding patience.

"They" ruined her reputation? If by that you mean a bunch of conspiracy theorists who let her death overshadow the rest of her life, then yes, "they" did. But she's hardly the only victim.

As to Ruby himself, he personally stated that he was in the neighborhood that morning because dancer Karen Carlin had made a plea for him to wire her some rent money; the Western Union was near the jail. He was attracted to the bustle at the jail when he finished his business there. Had he not initially made an illegal turn to get a parking space, he would have missed the 30-second window when Oswald was being escorted for transfer. And Oswald himself must have conspired in his own death, if there were such a conspiracy, because he would have been gone already had he not requested they turn back to get his sweater. There was no way to foresee or plan any of these events, just as Oswald got a job at the Book Depository weeks before Kennedy's visit to Dallas and his motorcade route were even decided. He was not put in place to be the assassin: he chose to shoot Kennedy once he realized he had the opportunity.

Both Oswald and Ruby were little men who wanted to be something bigger. That's all.

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A mob-connected nightclub owner, Ruby, assassinating the assassin, was always fishy.

Ruby said he had been distraught over Kennedy's death and that his motive for killing Oswald was "saving Mrs. Kennedy the discomfiture of coming back to trial".

G. Robert Blakey, chief counsel for the House Select Committee on Assassinations from 1977 to 1979, said: "The most plausible explanation for the murder of Oswald by Jack Ruby was that Ruby had stalked him on behalf of organized crime, trying to reach him on at least three occasions in the forty-eight hours before he silenced him forever."

Ruby repeatedly asked to speak to the members of the Warren Commission. Ruby asked Warren several times to take him to Washington D.C., saying "my life is in danger here" and that he wanted an opportunity to make additional statements. He added: "I want to tell the truth, and I can't tell it here."
[Wikipedia]

If he were going to do a hit for the mob, presumably he'd be prepared to get caught, go to jail, and keep his mouth shut (which he did - until the mis-trial, at least). If he were doing it out of personal distress (for the First Lady), presumably he'd not be so inclined to get caught. He shot Oswald in a police station basement!

We may never know the truth. Meanwhile, the stories still sell.

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Recommending a book: FAMILY SECRETS by Russ Baker. Bloomsbury Press

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Probably not. Conspiracy theories are for assholes. The guy at HowThingsWork is a prime example.

This article just happened to come out on 22/11 this year, and was hardly comprehensive, but I chose it because it was timely. There are any number of serious investigative journalists and documentaries on this subject.

@David1955 Then you should've picked one of those, preferably the one with the best sources.

Just because something is timely doesn't mean it isn't bullshit.

@Toonman It's not bullshit, it's just not fully detailed. It's a short article. If anyone is interested they can search further. I know what your opinion is, level 3 guy.

@David1955 OR we can opt not to do your work for you, and insist you post a link to a better source.

Actually, the problem isn't that the article short or poorly sourced. it doesn't matter. since the fundamental assertion this and any article makes is dipshittery even Glenn Beck would stay away from. Other articles

How Stuff Works is a bullshit conduit. Anybody who considers it a reliable source of information is simply standing in front of the pipe with their mouth open.

I hope that it's tasty, for your sake.

"Level 3 guy..."

Wow. However will I recover? <sniff, heart-rending sob>.

Anybody who thinks that passes as an insult is stupid enough to believe this pig vomit.

@Toonman Here, take 2 points out of petty change, now-level-4 guy. 🙂

@Paul4747

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without consideration.

It doesn't matter that the article is short and not comprehensive, when the article itself doesn't support its assertions. It doesn't matter when it came out.

What matters is that How Things Work isn't a reliable source for anything.

It is not my job to explore further. I'm not the one making the claim. You are, by posting the article. The evidentiary burden is on you because you are the one making the claim. It is YOUR job to support your assertion.

The article is bullshit from a bullshit source. Any article covering the same ground, unless it can support its claims with evidence, is bullshit.

You're an Atheist. We believe in reason and evidence-based claims. All you're doing is sending a signal that we're just as dumb as everyone else.

@Toonman I wasn't agreeing with the OP, I was mocking his attempt to denigrate you based on how many points you have on the website 😀

I agree with everything you just wrote. Occam's Razor should tell us that, with the lack of any solid evidence to the contrary, there was not a conspiracy involving at least dozens if not hundreds of participants, none of whom have come forward in almost 60 years (and those who claim to confess can't show evidence of their own to prove their assertions).

The absence of evidence is not an indication of what a good conspiracy it as, it's an indication that there was no conspiracy.

@Paul4747 Sorry. I missed that. My bad. Thanks for being on my side. 🙂

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Maybe some of those answers are in the files that are still hidden after the last administration chose to keep them sealed. Must be some pretty interesting stuff, and only a few people know what's in them. A secret only known to a few powerful people can be a dangerous thing.

I'm wondering if you know how determined these agencies are to release files on any of these subjects. I agree with you, but the absolute refusal of any of these agencies to allow history to make the final judgement, is appalling. The JFK files were supposed to have released years ago, by court order, but still haven't been. Files on the Manson Cult, operation CHAOS and MKULTRA and other covert programs of that time, are blocked, or you get BS stories about how they were destroyed. This story about Dorothy Kilgallen is just a small part of this history and, frankly, the corrupt American government and its corrupt agencies refuse the full respectivity of history. I grow tired of reading about journalists, investigators, writers and historians who try to get the files of the day and get refused, blocked and eventually threatened. It's appalling. We are more than justified to suspect that they are doing nothing than concealing their criminality, agencies with institutional memory.

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Dorothy's big mistake was in telling people what she was going to do and her JFK info was going to center on Carlos Marcello, New Orleans, Oswald, and Ruby. Pills and alcohol do not mix and she may have taken some. People did that a lot back then. That does not explain her missing files and notes and other things that do not match up when you look at her death.

I have a photo of Dorothy and Marilyn Monroe together, and it's such an irony that they both
died using the same MO. In the case of MM the scene was of her naked and spawled on the bed. This seemed too provocative, so in the case of DK they had her propped up in bed with an upside down book, but she was still wearing the same make up and clothes she wore on TV that evening, the book was one she'd previously read, her glasses weren't there, and she wasn't in a bed she usually slept in. Oops... Nothing staged there! Good at killing women who can't fight back against two or more men. Not good at staging suicide scenes. .... and Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. Sure.

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Possibly

bobwjr Level 10 Nov 22, 2021
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Wasn't Dorothy Kilgallen a panelist on "What's My Line"?

Yes. On the night she died, actually. It's on YouTube.

And was a investigative journalist

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No. She probably died of an accidental overdose of alcohol and barbiturates. If anybody offed her it was the mob. She wrote some secret stuff about the mafia and how Frank Sinatra was associated with the Genovese family. I still think not.

Overdosing doesn't seem a very Mob like hit to me. But it was a cia method to off women: one man to hold the woman, another to force alcohol and pills down her throat, and a compliant forensic examiner asset in the police force , as they have, and there you go. I did mention she was observed with two men before her death who'd bailed her up. If it was an overdose it was very convenient, after a sharp TV appearance, hours after telling people she was writing a big article about JFK. That was her mistake: telling people.

@David1955 Mobsters back in the day sanctioned killings of LCN members in particularly brutal manners. Clipping civilians called for creative methods. I think Dorothy Kilgallen was drunk and took an accidental overdose. The CIA thing just doesn't seem plausible. She didn't l pose that much of a threat.

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I also suspect Jim Morrison was murdered.

In Paris, right. He of course through his family were up to the wazoo with the military industrial complex, his daddy being Admiral "False Flag Bay of Tonkin" Morrison, but the theory was that he wasn't murdered but a cover story so he could end his period as a manufactured rock star. There were a lot of those back then by the agencies to help control of youth movement. More I research that time place and period -- the murders, the Manson Cult, operations chaos and mkulta and so much more-- you cannot take anything on face value. What was the speculation about his murder, by the way?

Morrison got fat and alcoholic. Most likely died in the bath of heart problems on Friday night when his "wife" left him there and returned Sunday to find him there. Two baths in one weekend, in France, I think not.

@David1955 Admiral Daddy was a total ass.

I can't imagine why anyone is surprised at The unexplained death of a habitual drug user.

@Lorajay While drug users do die occasionally, nearly all of them prevent that from happening as a matter of experience and expertise. Far more often, death is due to some change, such as a change in the source of heroin which has a higher concentration. That is, again, unlikely for those with experience and the understanding of such hazards. Thus, those who have attained political or social notoriety may well be suspected of being the victim of foul play at the hands of those who strongly object to their views. Similarly, drug users recite the experience wherein police delay calling EMT's in order to assist their demise, which is depraved indifference in any other context. George Floyd and others, for example.

Irony ?

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