"The friendly atheist can grant that a theist may be justified or reasonable in believing in God, even though the atheist takes the theist’s conclusion to be false. What could explain their divergence to the atheist? The believer may not be in possession of all of the relevant information. The believer may be basing her conclusion on a false premise or premises. The believer may be implicitly or explicitly employing inference rules that themselves are not reliable or truth preserving, but the background information she has leads her, reasonably, to trust the inference rule. The same points can be made for the friendly theist and the view that he may take about the reasonableness of the atheist’s conclusion. It is also possible, of course, for both sides to be unfriendly and conclude that anyone who disagrees with what they take to be justified is being irrational. "
i'm a friendly person. i'm also an atheist. whether i am friendly to others when atheism is the topic of discussion depends on what the other person is selling and how aggressively s/he is selling it. i am not going to define myself as a friendly atheist or an unfriendly atheist, as that plays into some stereotypes about atheists. our only unifying characteristic is that we either don't believe there are any gods or believe there are no gods.
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It's for me to say. I don't like or Christianity, but I usually try and be nice to Christians, because I know they are usually sincere in their beliefs. I respect the right of other people to be wrong, so to speak. But I do hate the suppression of free thought and the belief that women should submit themselves to men. And if a debate should arise about God or Christianity, I don't mind letting people know what I think.
Other than that, I would say I am friendly and reserved. Perhaps I come across as stand-offish, but unless the believer crosses some line on me, I will respond with gentle compassion and respect for their point of view, however that respect MUST go two ways.
The second the theist gets oh his high horse, then my MO will likewise change. I don't take shit. I also refuse to dish Out shit until the other person opts to head in that direction.
I suppose i am the sort who believes, do unto others as I would have them do unto me. Truth be told, again, if the theist steps it up, Ari will step it up too. Mano e mano. Whats good for the godly goose is good for the agnostic gander!
If a theist is up for a friendly bit of discourse, by all means, I'm your gal. If that same theist comes in Pretending he/she is up for a friendly bit of discourse and opts to go another direction once i take the bait... well... them's there fightin' words child!
I'm cool IF YOU'RE cool!
Sooo... uhh... TMW... seems you left Some Of Us Out... aaaand... you and I are exactly that: Agnostic. Where is the "friendly agnostic?" I felt funny even choosing amount atheist or theist.
waaa waaa... no equal representation by my most beloved Agnostic friend at a.com! He... Skipped US!
And what if i want to be Funny Agnostic or Quirky Agnostic?
@TheMiddleWay yeaaah... i got to that part... once i read down further. I was like, "oh... so NOW he explains it" as im sifting through older responses. lol
@TheMiddleWay hahah It okay man! I mean, your overall point was understood. Its all good.
Sometimes we just happen to miss certain aspects we are wishing to convey, and in this case, it sort of, locked you in place due to an inabilty to edit, but typically, on a whole, your posts are thought-provoking, earnest & sincere in their quest for knowledge and understanding and promote an environment for open discourse.
I cannot say that is a flawed thing what-so-ever regardless of any written oversights, errors or disjointed information. If a person is truly interested in a topic, they will read through the thread. If they read through the thread, they will see your post-explinations and edits.
I wouldn't worry too much about it since the majority of what you bring to this site is valuable and your message is not missed. I was semi-razing you too because I KNOW how doggedly we defend being Agnostic whenever it comes to light. We are both interested in being mindful that our particular breed isn't mistaken nor overlooked. In that knowledge, I did immediately wondered, "there must be a reason he did not add an agnostic option to this poll...albeit, what could that reason be...?" Hence, why I figured if i read through the thread, the answer would be found.
I was sort of... giving you shit, man. Don't you know me by now TMW? I'm scarcastic.
I’m a cantankerous agnostic.
@TheMiddleWay
wha... the...??? for real...? you For Real forgot us? you must be... joking...
I'm kind and respectful. However, my internal dialog is definitely unfriendly. I often wish I could change this or have more control over it. Instead I'm thinking how ridiculous it is, that the logic applied to religious belief would be disastrous if applied to any other aspect of one's life.
Friendly, but introverted.... probably won’t strike up a conversation with anyone...
The definitions of friendly and unfriendly seem too extreme for this to be a true dichotomy. I fail to qualify as "friendly" as I do not believe that the theistic position is justified. I hold that any position that is not based upon evidence is unjustified. However I also do not meet the given criteria of "unfriendly" as I do not believe that anyone who disagrees with me must necessarily be wrong. I am always open to the possibility that I could be wrong, and will always correct myself when evidence is presented that challenges my beliefs.
This is kind of like asking are you a good witch or a bad witch. I usually respond that I'm a very good bad witch.
It depends on who I talk to and what we are talking about.
Also why are there options for theist? Are there theists on this website?
Yes, there are. It's part of the spectrum.
Very few, but I have come across a couple.
@evidentialist Yeah, now that I think about it, that makes sense. There are agnostic theists just like there are agnostic atheists.
@SallyMc -- The varying shades of human existence.
@SallyMc -- Where in the site's literature does it say, "No theists allowed?" There is even provision for the varying shades of belief/unbelief built right into the questions asked to provide information about members. But even if that were not the case and NO THEISTS ALLOWED was printed in giant red letters on the site's home page, there would be no guarantee that theists wouldn't be here.
Of course I'm friendly and lovely. Others appreciate my positive energy. I'm appreciated for me, not for what I believe or not.
I'm a social butterfly.
That's just so cool...?