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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.Yeah. People don't know what socialism is. They definitely don't know what communism is. And most of them think those two things are the same.
ChestRockfield
Level 8
Dec 5, 2020
1
I love using these arguments on asshole Libertarians, who live in their fantasy bubble of being their own island and never needing other people or government because they are greedy wannabees, as in wannabe rich, which is never gonna happen for them. Another thing they will never admit to.
A big reason why our politics are so fucked up is because since the 1980s, with the extreme transfer of wealth to the top 10% income classes, we now have a very large group of people in the top classes that no longer need services from the govt., so they demand the pols give them tax cuts along with service cuts that only affect the bottom 90% classes. These are the people, the multi-millionaires and the income groups of $250 K or more, that the pols actually listen to and serve in their policies, not the average voters. Of course, the same policies are supported by the wannabees who are still part of the bottom 90% of income groups. Talk about cutting your own throat, but they are too deluded to realize they will never make it into the top 10%.
TomMcGiverin
Level 8
Dec 3, 2020
2
This.
The "best" comment I ever heard/saw was several years ago when a man about 70 years old said to a TV interviewer (this is really true) "I want the Government to keep their hands off my Social Security".
Alienbeing
Level 8
Dec 3, 2020
3
Some people's ignorance and stupidity know no bounds...
A few years ago, I was sitting in an escrow office waiting for the sale of my house to be completed and my real estate agent started ranting about taxes, socialism and how the government fails at everything. I said the government is responsible for every minute of your day and is pretty successful or you’d be mired in chaos and corruption. Look out the window, if no government, we wouldn’t have streets, traffic lights, curbs, gutters sewers, building codes. We would be breathing dirty air and eating tainted food. Crime would run rampant and buildings burn without police and firefighters.
I went on for awhile but ended my rant, with if government failed and socialism was not used, you wouldn’t have a job, because there would be no courts, deeds, laws, or currency for real estate transactions and ownership and if you had spouted this bullshit to me before you sold my house, you wouldn’t have this job because I would have thought you were a complete dumb ass.
Killtheskyfairy
Level 9
Dec 2, 2020
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Socialism - a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
Where is every citizen getting a dividend check from all the profits from all sales?
Where does every citizen have equal and full access to all the latest and greatest technologies. Such for example: every person has the latest and greatest smart phone?
Word
Level 8
Dec 2, 2020
2
you are making the usual deliberate strawman argument of confusing socialism with marxism.
Even Marx himself drew a distinction between the two, though he saw socialism as a transitional state between Capitalism and communism.
Most people referring to themselves as socialists today and most of the successful socialist countries are either Social democracies (capitalism subject to checks and balances) or are democratic socialist republics (Capitalist societies with state owned and governed safety nets such as universal health care, welfare for the old and infirm, free education and none military law enforcement.)
Word:
@LenHazell53 I make no argument. I simply looked at a common source definition for socialism and asked a couple questions based on that definition.
As I find a common source definitions for:
Marxism - the political and economic theories of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, later developed by their followers to form the basis for the theory and practice of communism.
Communism - a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.
Non capitalism slavery social society working for the over all good of the society.
Original indigenous inhabitants of lands now called North America. From: Remarks concerning the savages of north America. Benjamin Franklin
The Indian Men when young are Hunters and Warriors; when old, Counsellors; for all their Government is by Counsel of the Sages; there is no Force there are no Prisons, no Officers to compel Obedience, or inflict Punishment.—Hence they generally study Oratory; the best Speaker having the most Influence. The Indian Women till the Ground, dress the Food, nurse and bring up the Children, & preserve & hand down to Posterity the Memory of public Transactions. These Employments of Men and Women are accounted natural & honorable, Having few artificial Wants, they have abundance of Leisure for Improvement by Conversation.
Word:
@LenHazell53 and to add, about those of part of my ancestry:
A distinction between Authoritarianism goverments and Educationalism goverments "New world order " is about governments having an authoritarianism society to keep people enslaved for capitalism gains purposes. And they want to eradicate non capitalism social society working for the over all good of the society.
Two good examples of shared ownership are Barcelona FC. One of the most successful clubs in Europe owned by the supporters and the John Lewis store chain in the UK, owned by the workers which has survived the lockdown in a healthy state
Two examples of individual ownership are Arsenal FC owned by the Kroenke family who have taken £millions out of the club over the years to their detriment and the Arcadia retail group recently put in to administration while owner Sir Phillip Green relaxes on his luxury yacht having taken £millions out of the group over the years.
Used the fire department. Went to a public school. Used any regulated utility.
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Level 9
Dec 2, 2020
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