Ron Paul and his believers are all batshit insane, ignorant, racist boobs who have no idea what economics is...

@SCal Then you were one of the failures who got this country into the mess it is in.... Let me guess you think the Laffer curve works right?...

His words and actions prove that he is. This was not some sort of existential claim requiring divine insight to prove in an absolute manner.

The point is to help create a movement that looks past one election…
Without this, we are doomed to supporting corporate democrats forever. As Gandhi said, non-cooperation with evil is a sacred duty.

@Krish55 so true, but casting a protest vote that enables the greater of the evils to retain power, is cooperation with evil.
The reality in this country, so long as candidates can spend as much money as they can muster , is that we will be stuck with whatever corporate shill who pretends to support our beliefs.

@wolf041 and what will left after 4 more years of crazy governance by an imbecile

If you asked him to his face In sure he would be able to explain this. The " worst" sell out is the liar.

@Boudica I have seen his shit eating grin as he hurriedly admitted that he made the most au Fait du complait by getting jobs for Vernont ....this can never excuse violating the 80% readiness law designed to prevent massive cost over runs to put planes in the air....why hope for an EXPLANATION when he has been a sell out since Mayor 1979 ?

@Larry68Feminist , well who's your candidate? I'm sticking with Bernie , and I think he's gonna win.

@Boudica we stuck with Sanders LEGAL DELEGATES until he betrayed us all in Philadelphia 2016... he further lied blaming Nader for the Bush Crime Family Jeb Bush treason in Florida 2000 Bernie is a racist uncaring 50 THOUSAND black people were forced at GUNPOINT away from polls over 100 Florida counties....www.jill2016.com was the only choice then and WWW.HOWIEHAWKINS.US peace through Green jobs is the only choice now UNLESS YOU like F35s flying out of Vermont one billion dollars each that could save the lives of sick people USA spent on healthcare HR676 which Bernie NEVER SUPPORTED 2005-2017 when he finally introduced a shit bill nothing like HR 676

No, he participated in and supports US imperialist wars.
He also does not challenge capitalist injustice.
He is known for speaking logically and rationally. But logic based on faulty assumptions and the ignoring of injustice will lead to faulty and unjust conclusions.

@Krish55. I've heard many say that Bernie and Warren have little chance of getting their legislation passed. What an I missing? How will they do this? I love what they are for but the pragmatist in me fears going that route will ensure 4 more years of Trump. Avoiding Trump 2020 to me is the biggest priority.

Joe Biden is Bevis to Pete's Butthead in the Reagan Republican wing of the DNC....

@jdubbs1066 Bernie has a long history of working across the aisle. I do think it would be a struggle passing some of his idea, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. Bernie has been saying the same things for 40+ years- he hasn't waivered.

@JonnaBononna it's no wonder he is rated high for being trustworthy. I hope something like what he is after comes to pass.

@Krish55 , and what candidate has not? What one would not? They all know that war is " good for the economy". Bernie voted no on more wars than any other candidate.

@jdubbs1066 this admin has lowered the average integrity to the point Bernie is now a pinnacle of truth. Trump is down at the bottom of the cesspit....

Well I wish you would change your mind. I'm a " founding" member of Bernie or bust". I will not vote for "lesser evil". Dems. Can't win w/o Independents, and I guarantee Indys. won't vote for a war mongering centrist.

@Boudica Are you saying that you wouldn't vote for someone like, say, Biden in the general election? Actually he does better than Bernie among independent voters, at least according to a poll back in October. Biden isn't my preferred candidate, but I don'[t think it's fair to call any of the D candidates "war mongering." The main thing is we need to replace Trump, and sitting out an election because your favorite candidate didn't make the cut would have the same effect as just voting for Trump, obviously. And I think we can see by now that the difference between Trump and any Democrat is huge and worth holding our noses if that's what it takes. [thehill.com]

Issue has nothing to do with Islam. The litmus test is the ability of a candidate to honestly face the truth.

@Krish55 Still don't see why being pro-Palestinian would be the central, make or break issue of being a "progressive" in the USA or anywhere else. How is denying the existence of the one democratic country in the Middle East in a sea of warlord family-led countries being "progressive". More like western guilt gone insane. There are almost 2 million Arabs apparently happy to be living in Israel in preference to those countries of their cultural brothers and sisters.

@Garbonza Israel is not a democracy. The expelled Palestinians can't vote. The controlled Palestinians in the West bank can't vote either. And do you think the Palestinians in Israel like being 2nd class citizens? This is why many, including Jimmy Carter, call it Apartheid.

@Krish55 But the Palestinians in Israel are treated much, much better than Israelis in you-know-where. Beside the point -- Apart from the ongoing disaster of Drumpf and the Repugnicans, I don't see why this issue would be the decider between Democrat or independent candidates.

@Garbonza Because it would illustratrate which candidate is honest in facing the truth and willing to challenge powerful and well funded political action committees

@Krish55 Wow, there's a whole bundle of products you have to buy into to come up with THE TRUTH in a lump -- sure it's not a matter of faith? American politics is so, so strange to the rest of us.

If I were president, I would have said religion of peace, too, like Obama. (In fact, Bush said the same thing) It is about keeping peace in your society. You have responsibilities as a leader other than being atheist or what you really think about religions.

@Garbonza "There are almost 2 million Arabs apparently happy to be living in Israel in preference to those countries of their cultural brothers and sisters."

Are you sure of that? There is huge racism against Arab Israelis in Israel.

@tansut Regardless of the Netanyahu era (and I give Americans a pass too in the aberration that is the Trump era, Brazilians for Bolsonaro, Filipinos for Duterte, Russians for Putin, etc) I wouldn't be saying it unless Arab professors were also saying it -- that Israel is a special project in a largely irrational desert. From my observations "secular", tolerant Arabs are able to live flourishing lives in Israel. Can anyone say the same about Jews who would be courageous/foolish enough to try to live a peaceful life in an Arab country? Racism? There are still many countries in the world where if you stumble into the wrong tribal area/sect you take your life in your hands. Though American-born I have been out of the country for 59 years and am trying to get my head around the "American liberal" way of thinking; well, not thinking really, just kneejerk reactions. I think the following is a good example: In Libya, last year, Nigerians being abducted and sold into slavery is part of everyday life. Americans don't call this racism when they see it, just a certain people exploiting another driven by necessity. American "progressives" from professors to diplomats will try to think of any number of excuses for it. But when Americans see other Americans trying to be compensated for the slavery of distant ancestors 200 or 400 years ago -- actually initially driven by "entrepreneurs" on the African continent -- they say, by all means, you are all victims of racism, let us move heaven and earth for you to be compensated today.

@Garbonza "Still don't see why being pro-Palestinian would be the central, make or break issue of being a "progressive" in the USA or anywhere else."

May it be because of basic human rights?

How can you overlook almost 5 million people kept in apartheid, open prison with no rights, no representation with the help of your own government? They cannot even go to their school and work without passing through multiple checkpoints.

And you think millions of people living in these conditions with the backing of the US for 50 years is not a major issue at all?

@Garbonza As I said above if you are not aware of racism against arabs in Israel, you do not have any knowledge on the issue. Dude, they just passed a law last year saying that Israel will be a Jewish state (Nation State Law) basically declaring that ISrael will always will be a racist state and you come here and argue that there is no racism in Israel? Funny.

@tansut ..and how many are remaining there to keep hold of their property and their heritage..there was a palestinian community already living in palestine before it was overrun