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Would like your opinion on this...there's a nurse I work with who basically hit on me at work. He's married. Im not interested but see him as a comrade as I do all my coworkers so it came as a shock. First he added me on facebook...which is fine, others have done the same. Then he became more chatty. Then a few days ago I noticed he touched my shoulders while talking to me and also once on my waste with one hand ...I noticed it but decided it was nothing weird or something others have done at one time or another so I forgot about it. Then the next day I asked him to waste a drug with me and he said, for you Id do anything. Then the next day in the OR during a case he just basically says to me...the pants you wore into work this morning made my day keep doing that. I turned bright red. I workout after work so I wear my workout clothes to work then change into scrubs. I found myself explaining this to him and embarrassed, ashamed. I said I wasn't wearing that anymore. He said no please do. That's why I sit by the scrub machine every morning eating breakfast. At this point I didn't know he was married. But I did feel uncomfortable. I laughed it off and tried to make a joke of it. I mentioned it to a female coworker who told me he was married with 4 kids. I was really kind of shocked but decided to pretend it never happened and avoid it in the future. Went home. Then he started messaging me...nice way to end the shift with you and other flirty things. I confronted him that he was married. He said...so can't a man give a woman a compliment as a friend? then he wanted to know if I would be attending the going away party at a bar for a scrub tech sat night. asked me twice if I would be there, said i need to start hanging out with my work family. I did not go. Im not sure the correct way to deal with this. I don't want to be weird or make a problem or anything bc i have to work with this person. I work at a small facility and we have a very close work family. Im hoping it doesn't ever come up again but if it does....how do I address it appropriately without creating tension?

lauraleigh38 6 Nov 17
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Haven't women learned anything from the Kavanaugh hearings? Download a recording app. Turn it on and put it in your shirt pocket. Go up to him and tell him you don't like his attentions and if he keeps it up you'll go to HR or his wife. Record what he says after that. Otherwise, it's he said she said.

Yes, we did learn from Kavanaugh, and from Anita Hill before that. We learned that people in authority don't give 2 fucks about sexual harrassment, and that we will be disbelieved, ignored, and labeled as trouble makers if we complain. Thanks for the advice, tho.

@Emerald

Some don't give a fuck about harassment but some give a great many fucks about evidence.

@Anonbene "Some" being the operative word.

@Emerald
No, "evidence" is the operative word.

@Anonbene only if HR givex a damn. In my hospital they've proven time and again they do not. She knows her hospital culture better than we do. But if she goes to HR and they do nothing, he will make her job far more unpleasant than it is now. Ive been in her shoes. Have you?

@Emerald Some people in authority do care about sexual harassment. Those who don't are still sensitive to a public scandal if they ignore sometime who has solid evidence. Making recordings is good advice. I have a recorder on my phone that picks up everything and I record all of my phone conversations.

@Emerald, @Meili
Thank you Meili, I think Emerald is just in an argumentative mood today.

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Report him to HR immediately. His behavior is unacceptable.
Make out reports for sexual harassment.
They need to put a stop to this.
Your workplace is toxic and hostile.
NO means NO.
Stop means STOP.
Don't remain quiet...you did nothing wrong.
STOP him. Speak up.

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Well he's definitely trying flirt, I suggest just keeping your distance. It would probably be the best way help end things and not cause any problems

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Ok when you are hired at this hospital isn’t there a hand book or orientation pretty much like most coed jobs. He usually goes over this stuff with new employees. Sexual harassment is outlined in every handbook company policy’s on posters in break rooms right next the ombudsman poster...... yes anyone? The rules are very clear and he has violated them. It is your choice what do next. If he is truly a friend that crosssd the line. Give a serious what for it simply shout out stop hitting on me around multiple coworkers ... ok maybe not. If you had the talk and do much as catch him staring at you then go to HR and let them handle it. Or go right to HR .... now don’t wait you will want to get it on record. Either way he is going to stop or go away or walk the other way if he sees you.
But do not wait till it happens again and so not be polite or nice about it. You must convey how wrong what he’s doing is. How it makes you feel, and how disgusted you are with him as a married with children husband and father. What would his wife and children think about dad hitting on a woman at work. Go alpha in his ass and if says a word before your through. Just walk away and go straight to HR.

But I’m an asshole like that ....
The rules are clear.... be Brave and shut him down, scare him and repell him with how disgusting he is to you.

Peace, Love and Understanding

   Brain 

That’s not you being an asshole. It’s never wrong to stand up for yourself.

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Be strong, firm, open, honest, and serious. It's tempting to try to get along, but if he doesn't respect your feelings, then not taking him on will make matters worse. Go to your supervisor, go to HR, go to your EEO Rep, and tell them now to protect yourself.

Keita Level 5 Nov 18, 2018
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What a slug. The administrative route is secure, but can make certain situations worse. Be clear that you're not interested. Don't entertain flattery. If you're trying to be conversational, maybe bringing up his family with questions that force the embarrassed idea of answering for his wife might help, but doubtful. I chuckled at the comment of getting a dick pic for his wife. I don't know. Maybe give him a warning that if he doesn't stop, you're going to report it. At least that's up front, giving him the choice to back off our face consequences. Also sends the message you're not to be trifled with. But you have to follow through. Document everything. Any way you handle it, be careful. Sometimes things don't turn out like you expect. A situation I was in, my employer reprimanded me because I spoke back. Anywhere else in public, it would have been a crime. Nothing like blaming the victim. Even in a corporate setting with harassment policies. Outside work, the law applies, inside.... who knows!?

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Tell him you are interested in getting his dick picture to show his wife how he hangs out at work ! Then call his wife and get her to deal with him !

Mets Level 6 Nov 18, 2018
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Don't worry about creating tension. As a former Director of Human Resources, this man is sexually harassing you which is illegal.

  1. Report his behavior to his supervisor.

  2. If you have a human resources director, report it to him or her.

  3. Clearly and loudly tell this man to stop touching you.

  4. Keep a log of each time he made you feel uncomfortable or touched you against your will. Document:

date; time; location; what he did, who said what, witnesses, etc.

He sure should have gotten a clear message to leave her alone when she confronted him about his being married. Since he apparently did not get that message, I think your suggestion is probably the best way to go. It might be uncomfortable, but it could stop a bad situation from getting worse.

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Tell him you are not interested. Make sure to include that his comments while flattering, are making you uncomfortable. Be honest with him. Tell him you would like to keep the work environment professional. If he cannot stop the compliments then I would consider unfriending him on Facebook. Keep all interaction with him work related and be up front when he tries to be flirtatious.

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If you're not the charge nurse (or if he isn't) I would report it to her or him. Take a female witness with you from another dept or a friend who doesn't work there.

I'm the type of person who doesn't mix business with pleasure. I don't give guys an opportunity to hit on me at work.

My job is too important to compromise over one person.

She didn’t give him the opportunity. The guy’s a jerk creating the tension.

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If he knows that you're currently separated, then he could, consciously or subconsciously, see you as an easy target. You're in one of the most vulnerable places of life right now. He can either respect that and try to be supportive, or try to take advantage of it. Sounds like he's doing the latter. Lot's of good advice in the comments, I agree, report him if it continues.

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Keep evidence on hand.
Tell him to back off in no uncertain terms. If you try anything more subtle than that if you do report him he'll claim mixed messages from you.
Then report him. I hate saying that, but you don't know what his reaction to rejection will be, what form the retaliation could take, including (but not limited too) sabotage at work. I know that it sucks to do something like report a guy, but I don't think you're going to have a choice. No one wants to be 'that' woman, but sometimes it is warranted.

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This is harassment and against the law in the workplace. Report immediately to Human Resources.

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If you have any of this communication from him in FB msgs, elsewhere, save all of it. In at least 2 safe places.

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I think that based upon the information you have given us and the fact that he has not actually done anything yet to justify a sexual harassment complaint it would be wise to put some distance between him and yourself in order to be sure that he is actually trying to hit on you. If it continues then call him out on it and tell him thanks but no thanks, I'm not interested and if he persists then tell him that it will get ugly with a harassment complaint to be filed against him for his actions.

It's against the law.
[dol.gov]

So make the complaint to HR and see where it goes but I can see both sides of this issue so it may backfire on Laura and add further stress to her life. She reports that he inappropriately touched her on the shoulder and on the waist and he denies touching her waist but does recall being compassionate about something and giving her a friendly tap on the shoulder; his recollection and not hers. He says that he did tell Laura that she looked nice on occasion because he knows that she is going through a rough stretch at home and wanted to be supportive and the same reason applies to why he reached out to her on social media which may be written in terms that are nebulous. If the guy is an operator trying to put the moves on Laura then he will have covered his tracks and I'm guessing this is the case from the lack of any comments in the original post stating he said such and such which is clearly harassment instead of 'flirty things like nice way to end the shift with you'. The guy may be a sleaze and is probably aware of Laura's personal life and could be trying to take advantage of her or he might actually be caring and supportive but at this point I think it isn't definitive and could wind up getting spun back at Laura to the point of her competency and professionalism being questioned. I'm not suggesting that is fair but I would want an airtight case before I proceeded. I've had a female co-worker come into my house and take her clothes off, extremely awkward considering I knew she was in a vulnerable state personally and I was not interested in having a relationship with her or a quick sexual encounter, it was inappropriate, I deflected it and got her dressed and back home but it would still later come back to bite me through the rumour mill at the office and I was the villain in her account of what happened, nothing happened at all but that's how these things can go down.

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You have to be firm with someone like that and politely inform them you are not interested in such discussions while on the job or even after your shift ends. If he persists in the advances, I would go to the human resources department (assuming your place of employment has one that is) and report him. I dealt with a similar circumstance with a female employee years ago that wouldn't let up and went to HR to report her for harassment. When situations like that come up, you can't be afraid to speak up, as it wouldn't be your fault any of that happened.

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Tell him to cut the shit and that you aren't comfortable with it. If he countinues to do it he will find himself reported.

what she said.

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Report him! Everyone has pretty much given you the steps to take. If you don't, he will try his tricks on someone else, and it will be a case of rape.

@powder It's against the law! [dol.gov]

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In my experience, this is a male, who allows his ‘sexual attraction free reign!’ If he puts ‘it’ out there and someone ‘bites,’ then it was all in the game! But, this is a dangerous game as people can get hurt or loose their job, it is not worth taking part in! I would state my position clearly and let him know that you are not interesting in playing games! Let this person know, that this is not fun, to you! If it continues, i would report it to your supervisor one time and if it continues, I would file a complaint.

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you're not the one creating the tension. there is no polite way out of this. here is the proper plan:

  1. unfriend him on facebook.

  2. tell him not to touch you on the shoulder or anywhere else, ever again.

  3. tell him that you will not converse with him except as business requires. follow through and pretend he has not spoken if he makes things personal.

  4. report him to highers ups if he doesn't back off.

  5. report him to police if he stalks you.

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Tell him you'll kick him where it counts if he does it again. Then do it.

I know you're kidding...
If you're not then suddenly she looks like the crazy one, out of a job and has an assault record.
I think she needs to be careful with this anyway so he doesn't make her work situation even worse.

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Based on your description, the creating of tension has been from his end; a transference of his own tension. A person who creates distractions and behaves in a distracted manner in a workplace that is vital to facilitating the good health, if not survival, of others has their priorities skewed.

If his mind isn't on his job 100% it is a weak link in your shared chain. If anything, pointing that out should release tension; enabling better performance and more comfort among one another for work related comaraderie. His creation of tension has worked against that kind of environment. Your good judgment and discomfort with attending the event deprived you and other fellow workers of a valuable opportunity to make your team stronger and your work more pleasurable.

Other than his behavior disclosing that he is immature and troubled, I don't know enough about the rest of his character to make my suggestions a real solution. My thinking if you have a coworker who's professionality you can trust, she/he outght to be told about your situation just as a place of status safe-keeping; someone who might be able to serve later as second party chronological confirmation of your discomfort. If it persists, particularly in the midst of performing care, I'd consider (depending on maturity evaluation) telling him that if it doesn't end entirely and immediately, you'll file a grievance on the basis of patient well-being and workplace harassment. 2. That it wouldn't be received well by most wives. 3. That the slightest hint that he wants to reverse the tension he's created with retaliatory, childish demeanor, you'll proceed with the complaint anyway. 4. That he's created counterproductive tension and that it's his responsibility to make it entirely vanish, 'or else'. (with an o.k? and a big smile...)

It is drastic but people like that sometimes don't get the full message and will resort to 'pay-back' for spoiling their fantasies and unrealistic expectations. If he had any respect for you or himself he wouldn't expect you to receive his base banality as complementary. It isn't the stuff of respectful, professional level friendships.

....you asked for it. 🙂

^^^ this is perfect ^^^

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I agree with everyone else. Warn him to stop, and if he persists, take it to HR. I’d avoid being alone with him whenever possible. It makes me feel bad for you. Nothing like unnecessary stress. All the best, however you handle it. ??

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Do u want my American answer or my Italian / Greek answer ? Bcz I can give u both :
First of all , unfriend him on any piece of media u have an account on .
Second , do your Pyxis rooms have cameras ? If they do , ding ding ding bingo bingo bingo ??
Do ask him to waste the next drug w u . And wait for the comment . When he opens his f mouth , tell him to " consider this his final warning . If u ever approach me again at any way and with any other word / comment / compliment / physical , be prepare to face HR . "
Say it , and no need to discuss , move on wasting drug . This is the one camera at any hospital that can easily trace back .

The Italian / Greek way : listen u motherf , u touch me again or u even talk to me again , and I ll make sure your wife will shove your dick into your ass while u filling applications for new employment .
Can u say that ? Man , I wish I was there for u !

And . These type of assholes can twist everything . Take shots of msgs he send u . And . Honestly , u need to let HR know . U r not his only potential food . He will do again to someone else . And that , IS IMPORTANT TO FIGHT FOR .

@lauraleigh38 trust me she knows what a diamond he is . 4 kids . Trust me . And . Not your problem . U need to rescue self and protect others . ♥️♥️♥️

HAAAAAA! I like the Italian/Greek version Miss Pralina. 🙂

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By not "being clear with him" of YOUR intentions, he keeps following his. You haven't told him "no", you're "not interested". If you create tension in him, so be it. It's your sanity (and your image at work)... that's at stake. They all know about him...

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