1-It certainly is not a false equivalency
2- They have a plan and it includes a wall. Perhaps you will believe it if NPR tells you
[npr.org]

I've listened to them sharing their feelings on the matter, and don't doubt these local agents are honest in their beliefs, despite what the facts and experts say.

Also, comparing a comprehensive border security policy to just "build the wall!" is a false equivalency.

Facts don't care about feelings-
[forbes.com]

Perhaps you haven't heard,,, they have checkpoints there too... [washingtonpost.com]

@Captain_Feelgood ...checkpoints, of course for non-EU people...EU people travel freely...

@seattlepanda And Americans can travel freely into and around the US, and we have checkpoints at our borders as well.. And if l have the proper paperwork l can travel around Europe as well just like a person from another country can do the same here.. So what's the difference?

@Captain_Feelgood ...difference is the ability to live and work in the host country...EU people may live and work in any EU country...I think should be same for North America...

@seattlepanda It is the same here,, you get a work visa and you come and travel around, in and out without a problem.. If l go to a European country, l can only stay for 3 months unless l have a work visa.. Otherwise l am an illegal and will be deported. So what is the diff?

@Captain_Feelgood ...EU people don't need a visa...passport is thier credential to live and work in any EU nation...like a US passport allows us to live and work in any US state...

@seattlepanda Yeah,, a passport or an EU card, or you will have a bad day... And where do they ask for it?? That's right,,, at the border.. So what's the difference? We have people coming in through our borders without any passport or any other kind of ID and we're trying to stop them just like they do there in Europe.. There's no difference.. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Hey -- why’d you omit the Dreamers part…? That’s what killed it in the House.. Though Obama would have gone for it. Though I’m pleased the House didn’t allow the ‘Dreamer’ provisions to go through, it (yet again) gave them all the ammo they needed to stomp the Dems in 2016… So, come on Man - be straight ...as I’ve appreciated your prior posts, so please be accurate, which excludes omissions..

@Varn My only point was that Schumer is being 2-faced about being for or against a wall in the first place..

@maturin1919 Your the one who seems to be the dumb one!

Thank you for the clarifications … it sounded too reasonable to be true… And yes, I remember it, expending little effort to dig into it realizing the House would have nothing to do with it. And, I agree ‘the Dreamer’ stuff was too much. Too bad, had the ‘Dreamer’ stuff been removed, and it had been passed and signed by Obama, we’d have a Democratic President..

@Varn The dreamer situation was only addressed by President Obama's executive orders, and never legislatively resolved in any fashion, which is where it should be debated to reach a reasonable compromise. Those orders have been upheld by the courts, but while it didn't hurt Obama, who was well into his second term, politically, I doubt Hillary would have benefitted from the passage of the 2014 bill, with or without protection for the dreamers. However, until that sort of legislative debate occurs, I wouldn't hold my breath for any immigration legislation, including the allocation of 5 billion fucking dollars for a scheme nobody knows any details about.

@zeuser I suspect Hillary had to make the open borders proclamation (I watched) to appease the Bernie crew; as Bernie proclaimed the same a day later. I feel if this issue had been dealt with prior to 16 it would have become a non issue ... and trump may never have achieved enough traction to make it through the republican primary.. Guess we still could have a republican president, just a ‘real one.’

@Varn Good point.

I don't remember any democratic candidate use the term open borders, but rather had that term used to characterize their positions by the other side, but if you could come up with a link, I'd appreciate it.

But yeah, if the 2014 bill was successfully amended and passed, this bozo would have had to come up with something else. He probably would still have gotten elected, but that's one issue he wouldn't have had to use.

@zeuser It was in a face to face interview with Hillary.. in which she reluctantly, then openly acknowledged that see was for “open borders.” As mentioned, in the next ‘news cycle’ Bernie was asked - and had confirmed the same himself. Seems it was around the time of their debate … though it was not in a debate. I know I cussed ..with a sick, sinking feeling … if that helps..

Heard a great interview/ podcast with Terry Gross (Fresh Air) yesterday, with Vanity ‘Fair reporter,’ Gabriel Sherman describing trump's ties with ‘fox news.’ His candidacy was so linked to their programmed propaganda it bypassed the entire Republican Party.. The interview was way back on July 12 … finally finished a batch of them, it was called, “the ties between fox news & the trump white house.”

@Varn Evidently, Hillary used those words, but the context was more nuanced. Here's what I found in Politifact.

[politifact.com]

@zeuser Podesta’s deciphering of her leaked remarks prior to her presidential campaign is not what I witnessed. What I personally recall was her response to a question on the campaign trail, I believe it was a recorded interview and not just a ‘flash answer’ to a reporter on the fly..

I also recall it due to how it resonated within me; a charter member of an immigration reform group in which I’m no longer active but who’s goals I continue to share. Again, only days later (if that), Bernie was read her comments, and instantly agreed that he’s ‘also for open borders.’ My best recollection is ‘that’ being a news snippet on NPR.

Unfortunately ..this reminds me of Bill Clinton’s remarks on a campaign swing through the Pacific NW, where he enthusiastically affirmed the rights of the non-religious … then a week later he’s running to prayer meetings down South ..with as fat a bible as I’ve ever seen His remarks had been ‘on the fly,’ but I recall Hillary’s as a ‘sit down,’ if quick tv interview.. And on both subjects, I come to attention ~

What I’m getting from the linked article are various interpretations of a speech she’d given in 2013, so nothing to do with what I definitely witnessed in 2016. It’s interesting that trump claimed HRC’s leaked emails were ‘new evidence’ she’d proposed open borders, had he previously been informed of or watched the same ‘interview response’ I had..? This was obviously in Oct., long after the primaries. I highly suspect Hillary had been convinced to shut up about open borders, though when campaigning against the Leftist Bernie, she didn’t ~

The ones that are poorly educated are the idiots who voted for Obama or Clinton. All of my educated friends voted for Trump. Only the deadbeats looking for a government handout voted for Obama or Hillary so I’m guessing you must be one of those.

@Trajan61 it was your president that stated he loved the poorly educated. If you were educated or had a decent memory, you would remember that. Insulting a woman with multiple degrees only makes you look worse than you already do.

@Green_eyes Then why is it that among my circle of friends who are successful bussiness men all are Trump supporters?

Did you know that anyone can become a writer for Wikipedia? I mean my kid brought home a D on a paper and attempted to point out that the teacher was wrong.

I then looked at everything and sat down and made a Wikipedia page for my kid. So please source something other than Wikipedia.

@jerry99 You’re right we do work hard to keep things accurate?

@maturin1919 Yes but this just made me feel better