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Just curious, do you believe in karma or law of attraction?

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It is magical thinking- irrational nonsense - to believe in karma, law of attraction (whatever that is), soul mates, invisible gods, ghosts, zombies, Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, etc.

From Psychology Today, a great article on magical thinking:


I have in the past described how magical thinking is an early developmental stage to be followed by logical thinking. Over the years I came to realize that for many it was not a stage but a way of being and to that they might add logical thinking without jettisoning the magical way. But I am reminded of a story that my former wife, a psychologist, told me when she was assessing a little boy. He said that Santa Claus was not real. He was just a fat old man with a white beard who came down the chimney with presents.

When I figured out there was no Santa Claus, like many kids, I figured I better not let on that I knew the game because I might not get presents then. No reason to give presents if I didn’t believe. Still magical and not logical thinking. Somehow getting Xmas presents was part of the magic of Xmas.

@ToolGuy I think we use magical thinking in storytelling to understand the situation of the story, the psychology of the characters, the motivation of the characters, etc. And of course we use magical thinking within metaphorical thinking--similes, personification, hyperbole, etc.

I don't think magical thinking is completely useless, as it greases the wheels of communicating emotions, psychology, experience, etc.

I think the poor magical thinking is when we confuse the metaphor with the literal...or, worse, confusing the metaphor for another metaphor when there is nothing literal involved at all.


You use your imagination to write stories.

Irrational nonsense aka "magical thinking" is completely difference.

@LiterateHiker This is my area of expertise, so... In the sense that you have to suspend your disbelief for a story to make sense, and believe in a cosmology that has its own ethos, pathos, and logos (that may be radically different than that found in reality), it is very much similar to magical thinking (and in some ways indistinguishable). In fact, people use stories to perpetuate their religious beliefs. What would Christianity be divorced from the text of the bible?
Moreover, one can set aside critical and rational thinking and lose themselves in a story where the connections between events or themes or characters is entirely magical or metaphorical. The only difference between this and a person using magical thinking outside the story is how seriously they take those metaphorical (metaphysical) connections in reality (ie, not simply suspending disbelief...but simply believing). If you read the bible, understand the stories, lessons, and metaphors, and then close the book and take those stories, lessons, and metaphors literally without comparing them to anything else in reality, you are partaking of what we call "magical thinking". Recognizing all the same stories, lessons, and metaphors may require magical thinking to make any sense of them at all within the imaginary world of the story, but closing the book and comparing those things to reality to determine what is real from what is not is critical thinking.
That's all I'm saying.


I don't believe in magic, or anything supernatural, but I do believe that actions have consequences, and that if you are mindful of something you want, you are more likely able to make it happen than if you put no thought into it. Also, I've seen plenty of times, people making their own fears come true by worrying about them too much.

skado Level 8 Feb 11, 2019

Karma: depends on how it is defined. Typically, when someone oversteps boundaries with you, and you think “karma will get him or her”, then it is safe to assume that person will overstep boundaries with others who are less tolerant. Karma will meet them. In that sense, yes, karma exists.

Law of attraction: depends on your definition. Typically we are attracted to people who meet our needs whatever it may be. So, attraction is more based on your personal needs than the other person being “attractive.” (Attractiveness is a combination of physical looks and emotional needs).

@abeille I see. I don’t think positive thoughts attract positive responses. I think positive thoughts are positive interpretations of events and reduce negativity.




No but I sure do wish Karma existed.

It's more like our decisions can make certain things more or less likely to happen

Lucy_Fehr Level 8 Feb 12, 2019

No and no. Both can encourage apathy and a lack of empathy and compassion for others. 'It's your fault you have had misfortune because you thought that into existence.'

'It's the fault of those 20,000+ children under the age of 5 who die every day, brutally and agonizingly, from starvation.'

'The inmates of Auschwitz and Buchenwald had it coming to them.' and on and on.

From Psychology Today, highlighting #7 "No Compassion:
Don’t get involved with anything negative like charity or helping the needy. This will attract more negativity and poverty. Wallace Wattles, a LOA founder wrote, “Do not talk about poverty; do not investigate it, or concern yourself with it. Do not spend your time in charitable work, or charity movements, all charity only tends to perpetuate the wretchedness it aims to eradicate.” and “Give your attention wholly to riches; ignore poverty.”

Rhonda Byrne in The Secret takes this a step further, “If you see people who are overweight, do not observe them…If you think or talk about diseases, you will become sick. What you think or surround yourself with – good or bad, is what you will bring upon yourself.”

If you believe in a LOA avoid any of the “helping or health” professions such as physician, nurse, hospital worker, clergy, psychologist, police officer, paramedic, etc. Avoid professions in which you deal with poor people such as accountant, mortgage broker, banker, lawyer, etc. While research shows that charitable work, empathy and volunteering is beneficial to both the giver and receiver, avoid these things if you believe in a LOA.



But having said that, if you are nice to people they tend to be nice to you, and actions do have reaction, so it is not not that I disbelieve the principle, just the religious and supernatural connotations falsely applied to common sense.


No and no.



graceylou Level 8 Feb 11, 2019

@Kattywampus69 At about 450 at the moment.


I think karma is legit. Say for instance you watch someone making an ass out of themselves and say hateful things, then this person asks you for some kind of help and you say f*** you. That's karma.

Kojaksmom Level 8 Feb 11, 2019

Lol this is a good one

@Neenz or say as a teenager and a young adult you just wanted to party and have fun. Now you're middle-aged and have a s*** minimum wage job. That's karma. It's not magic.

@Kojaksmom Yes it's the expected result .. we pay for our work or the lack of anyway ..a practical result of our actions ..


I believe in BOTH.



Law of attraction has a few definitions but most of them stink of Woo Woo.


I knew someone that had a pit bull dog named Karma.

Antifred Level 7 Feb 11, 2019

I suppose that would make some sense!


Despite what the nay sayers say the law of attraction manifests itself much in the way the placebo effect has real world consequences.
It's real and simple.
First we look at Luck:
When Oppurtunity meets preparation.

If you go about everyday being negative you are unlikely to be prepared to take advantage of opportunities.
If you're positive you're more likely to head into the day prepared to take advantage of an Oppurtunity.
Your mood greatly affects other people and their interactions with you. Which compounds the end result.


I posted this about Karma a while back "From Merriam-Webster Dictionary. - - "Karma" - - "The force generated by a person's actions held in Hinduism and Buddhism to perpetuate transmigration and in its ethical consequences to determine the nature of the person's next existence."
I do not buy it. This is the ultimate let-the-filthy-ruler or crooked-ass-politician (Henry Kissinger for example) who has committed all kinds of atrocities off of the hook doctrine. Christianity shares the same fault, one of a huge number of faults, in that it holds that people will be rewarded or punished in some fanciful afterlife. It takes the responsibility away from society for punishing such behavior, and sublimates it to some abstract non-existent realm . . . . . and, who exactly do you suppose it serves? . . . the very people who do the atrocities. As long as you believe that they will be punished in some "future existence", you are a lot less likely to hold them accountable in the here and now . . . . and were exactly does that get you and them? No surprise that those in power have so much to gain from doctrines like these, and no surprise that they do what they can to perpetuate and support such belief systems. "

As for the "law of attraction", I think that people get in a funk, where they choose the same kind of partner over and over again, unless they consciously attempt to go against it . . . . in general we are
not much different than animals though, when it comes to attraction.

THHA Level 7 Feb 11, 2019

as Napoleon said: we need religion to keep the poor from killing the rich.


No. I might make comments "I hope Karma gets that person" But don't think there is a real karma that will. If there is a law for attraction, I don't think I have heard it.

Hathacat Level 9 Feb 11, 2019

Yes - I consider karma to be natures way of finding balance.

gater Level 7 Feb 11, 2019

in regards to what? Fate? Love? Daily stuff? I think someone can believe both. Karma kicks you in the butt and law of attraction doesn't seem at all related.

Karma is not limited to bad things.

The question was whether or not you believe in these things.

@maturin1919 I still need to know in what context. I think Karma is sort of a joke thing, like someone named their dog Karma and the dog next to it says "don't let Karna bite you in the ass" then says, that's Karma--the other dog. So I have no idea whether Karma is a thing that really comes back and bites someone in the ass. Law of attraction has some possibility of existing because a negative person doesn't want to do stuff, like look for a job, or go out to date so nothing in their life works out but they don't recognize the fact they are negative. I think people should see the positives instead so you can act in a positive manner and have things work out by attempting to try them.

@K9Kohle789 sigh


Yes, karma in the sense that our actions have consequences. No, with the idea of a metaphysical score keeper adding up our good vs bad karma and hoping we aren't reincarnated as a stink bug.

Marktzu Level 6 Feb 12, 2019

discrimination against stink bugs!!


Karma in the religious sense no.. however i believe in doing good things to help restore faith in humanity and encourage people to do the same.. naturally you get a mix of bad and good people do different things to you some are good and some are bad but you learn how to spot the good ones and keep them around. That's why good people have good people in their company and they help each other which creates positive atmosphere. positive people attract positive actions and have more relaxed mind to spot the positive opportunities and this is the law of attraction.. nothing outside our own brain and capacity.

Neenz Level 7 Feb 12, 2019

Yes i believe in karma because it is the result from our actions.don't matter if god does not exist, the importante is mutual respect and fredom.


Energy is all in the universe

odh5610 Level 1 Feb 11, 2019

No and no.

Karma implies that there is a cosmic moral balance that maintains itself in some way, and that bad actions and good actions are somehow influenced by this or are what upset this underlying moral order. It's a nice idea but it is also complete conjecture.

As for the law of attraction, it seems to imply something similar. Sure, if you're positive and have ample opportunity, then it is possible to get the things you want. However, belief that the universe will work in your favour implies intent... It's inanimate. It has no intentions.

Saf Level 2 Feb 11, 2019

I guess I sort of want to believe in karma, that's why I'm Agnostic rather than Atheist, because I see so little justice in how most things work in this world. But I don't believe in the law of attraction regarding our thoughts bringing experiences into our lives. I believe things come into our lives either purely by chance or fate sometimes and other times by our actions and choices, not by our thoughts. Sounds too New Age woo to me.


This question would have made a good poll.

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