If trump was to be impeached the senate wouldn't convict, but even if they did pence would pardon him and then we'd have pence as president. The state's prosecution would be invalidated because of double jeopardy. It's a no win situation. There is a belief that a sitting President can't be indited so he may get away with his corruption until voted out. Should he win a second term many of his infractions would exceed the statue of limitations. There are solutions to insure justice. Do you think Nancy Pelosi is taking the right track?
Yes, she is doing the right thing. Pelosi is one of the smartest politicians in Washington, maybe the smartest. These investigations will serve the same purpose without all of the grandstanding by Republicans, as we saw with Cohen. Wait for the Mueller report.
Machiavelli termed it as a good prince (Obama) is replaced by tyrant (Trump) who turn is overthrown by aristocracy (Pence and senate) who are corrupted into becoming Oligarchs who become cast out of power by the people Democracy which degenerates into anarchy... repeat. Thanks Niccolo
One reason not to impeach and remove Trump is that strategically, it would not be a positive move to get a Dem elected to the presidency in 2020. If Trump is left in office, his abhorrent behavior and policies will offend more people in the next two years who had voted for him previously. However, if impeached and removed, Pence will serve out his presidency and likely not offend as many swing voters and would be more likely to win the presidency in 2020 than Trump.
I think she is. If they were to successfully impeach, the Trump humpers would only ramp up the rhetoric that there is a "witch hunt" (if I never hear that word again it will be too soon) whereas it will be harder to argue him having lost a legitimate election. Not that they won't try.
Double jeopardy would not attach to a federal pardon unless the law of that state legally recognizes double jeopardy applying to violation of federal law with respect to the same state charges. Currently, double jeopardy applies under New York law for violations of state and federal law where circumstances are the same. Legislation was introduced in the New York legislature but did not pass the NY state Senate. It has been reintroduced this year. I could not find addition details on its status though it appears more likely to pass this year.
There would be no "double jeopardy". Federal charges and state charges are two entirely different things and being acquitted of one does not negate being tried (and convicted) on the other.
Impeachment, at this point, would be a complete waste of time and money.
Pelosi knows this and isn't stupid.
She did however, point out that impeachment would be back on the table if something else came up which would warrant it. 45 would have to be shown to have done something SO bad, that even the republicans in the Senate turn on him.
As long as she is Speaker, she's not going to pursue impeachment unless and until she KNOWS the Senate would vote to convict and remove.
Everything Trump believes pence believes. But he's a better package. If Trump leaves, the media and mainstream Democrats will all breathe a sigh and say that now we can get back to cooperation and proper governance. Let's all be friends. Let's get back to being spineless. It's better that way.
The senate has to try him if the house vote for impeachment. The two third majority in the senate is impossible to attain for a conviction. The republicans would never vote to impeach him. The democrats do not have enough votes in the senate to secure a conviction and get him out of office. The state charges would stick because they would be from crimes that are different than the federal indictments even if Pence was to pardon him. When he loses the November 2020 election, he will resign as president, and Pence will pardon him for all and any federal crimes that he may have committed. The stat charges will be filed in New York, and there will be no double Jeopardy involved.
As a resident (and tax payer) in NY, I want his ass fried!!! Seriously, the tax evasion alone costs us NY'ers millions. The fact that the Federal Justice department won't indite him doesn't mean NY can't. Once he is indicted, any senator who votes against his removal from office (after the house has impeached) is violating every NY'ers right for equal justice under NY law. He needs to be held accountable for a lot of things. But to me, most importantly, is his blatant disregard of the law here in NY.