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Someone said that even if you don't believe in God, it is advisable to live your life as if there is a God. What do you think of that?

Lidasman 4 Apr 5
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...I see no proof of YETTY ,
ABOMINABLE SNOWMAN.....
but just to be safe & hedge
my wager; what else can I fantasize
about...

We can't find one because they live on the underside of our flat earth! ?????

@kensmile4u...I recently heard they be alive
and disputing science at every step;
AT least Neanderthals wanted to improve their lot in life...
Thanks

@kensmile4u, @David1955 ...CNN does documenaries?....My cable company
favors the religious stations so much.
THANX

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I think that if that means living a good life and treating others with kindness, compassion, and respect, then that's not a bad way to live.

I live like that, a good life, and I don't care about gods. Why relate it to a god? Is it that agnostics cannot live a good life?

@Merseyman1 I don't see why they can't. I'm an atheist, but that's how I try to live. Too many people are wrapped up in the nonsense that you can't live a good and moral life without religion. Sad that they can't see beyond their own biases.

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It might be even better to believe god is just the universe, and that the the universe hates you and is trying to kill you at every turn. I'm sure believing this would make the world as it is make much more sense, and maybe motivate you to solve problems to defend yourself against this hostile universe.

Unfortunately the universe doesn't hate us. It just doesn't care. At all. Which always gives us the hope of solving all of our potential problems, and near certainty that ultimately we won't be able to.

@David1955 Lawrence Krauss made a comment (in a video somewhere on youtube, but I can't remember which one) where he said that it is odd that Intelligent Design proponents never tell us to quit cancer research because the cancer has been designed to kill us.

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I like this:

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If there is a God, Will that God punish you if he finds out you didn’t believe there was a God? Is that what this premise is about?
If you live a good moral, life and are an ethical person and a generous and kind person, And you still don’t believe that there is God, is that God going punish you? Just because you didn’t believe? What kind of a SOB of a God is that?

So far I have not seen any evidence that there is a God.
Does that mean that gives me the freedom Lie, steal, cheat and kill? Because no “God” is looking?
The someone that said that has no self respect.
pretending believe in God is living a lie.

Many agnostics/atheists believe that if God isn't seen by them, talks to them, do some magic tricks for them, then they are convinced He doesn't exist.

"Do you not think that there are things which you cannot understand, and yet which are; that some people see things that others cannot?  … Ah, it is the fault of our science that it wants to explain all; and if it explain not, then it says there is nothing to explain." ~ B. Stoker

We tend to assume that we can see, feel and experience everything there is to be perceived in life.

12 Things We Can’t See, But Amazingly Exist
"Each and every day there is a rich and complex world going on just beyond our veil of perception.
In fact, literally anything could be happening right now without us knowing – invisible worlds colliding, unseen births, deaths, transformations. In fact, quantum physics suggests that the past, present and future is simultaneously occurring right now.

What science does know only represents a minuscule fraction of what likely exists beyond our perception. The following points represents things that exist, but aren’t visible to the naked human eye."

  1. Radio Waves
  2. Atoms
  3. Dark Matter
  4. Antimatter
  5. Air/Oxygen
  6. Ultraviolet Light
  7. Gravity
  8. Infrared
  9. Mind
  10. Emotions
  11. Quantum Particles
  12. The Entire Universe

We develop more respect for life once we realize how small and limited we truly are. “Even fools are thought wise when they keep silent; with their mouths shut, they seem intelligent.” Pro 17:28

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My hypothetical god is SEILENOS
[theoi.com]

🙂 God's knows you are cherry picking!!

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Total crap!

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The ruling ideas of a society are the rules of the ruling class. Karl Marx

Actually it was "the ruling ideas of a society are the ideas of the ruling class"

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What always struck me about Pascal's Wager (and people touched upon it below) is that the "logic" behind it would suggest you should believe in every god anyone ever believed in (or could believe in) "just in case" any of them are true, as to not jeopardize your afterlife. But as Hitchens said, there could be a god and no afterlife...or an afterlife and no god...or a trickster god that punishes good people...etc., etc.

The list of things you COULD believe in to cover your eternal a$$ is very, very long, and nearly all of which is mutually contradictory.

Besides, "believing" something just-in-case doesn't sound like a genuine belief to me in any case. No one would think jumping off a building would be a smart bet just-in-case The Force is real and the Jedi will save you from certain death, and then save the world because that's just the kind of thing they would do.

Well laid out

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How does one live as if there is a God? Without specifying a god, it has no meaning to live as if there is one. If you specify one, you really start running into trouble.

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Nonsense. It would prevent you from thinking for yourself. Religions want to tell you what to believe.

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I believe the opposite. You should be good to others because it is the right thing to do, not because you might burn in hell otherwise. With God you are allowed to do whatever you want as long as you apologize before you die.

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So far, no one has actually responded to your question. In essence, you are asking whether people should live by a set of “god-based” principles, without actual reference to any god. This is NOT Pascal’s theorem, which concludes that you should believe in a god as a hedge against the risk that one might exist. One problem with the concept is choosing which set of principles to live by. Assuming some subset of Judeo-Christian mores, most of them are humanist in nature: treat others as you would be treated; give to the poor; accommodate strangers, etc. If that is the moral code, then the only significant difference between a humanist and theist approach is that the humanist doesn’t expect to be rewarded or punished, except by his/her own conscience. In other words, most humanists already live as if a god exists, but without the childlike dependence in third party approval that that implies.

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No one needs God to be good

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Google something like "Pascals wager critical" and you will find a thousand places where this argument is shot to pieces.
Most of them will point out that there are thousands of gods set in tens of thousands of religions, all of which religions claim to have exclusive access to god. (Exclusive is important because it is the only thing they have to offer, that sets them apart from deism and one another.) Therefore they usually say, which one do you pick ?

BUT, here is one small bit of logic that you will not often hear. How do you know that god, if it does exist, does not respect agnostics, and atheists the most. For their reason and for not telling it what it should be, or insulting it by saying that it is exclusive, i.e. racist culturalist. You may as well bet on it liking us best. Its the same bet..

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I think the big problem is "Which God?" I know they will say their god of course, without proof it exists, or is even moral - but Krishna, Allah, Yahweh Direct, and Yahweh via Jesus are the big four to chose from typically. Given they only adhere to 1 and disregard the other 3, I just use their argument back against them "You should live your life as if the other 3 are real".

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This is most commonly attributed to Pascal
[en.wikipedia.org]

In my view there are two serious flaws in this argument.
First is what the hell would God want me to do? Unless you are stunningly ethnocentric and willing to only accept your most local god obsession, you have to accept that there are so many gods out there it would be impossible to choose one to know which is the true one.

The second problem is that having chosen one path, following the creed of a bunch of crackpot religionists is the most sure fire way of wasting the only life you know you have in the hope of some dodgy promise of a uncertain future state.

In my view you need to be true to yourself and live according to your best guess, that most refects your nature.
In any event - if you want to insist that you are the creation of god, then living close to your nature would have the same effect. Following a natural path means enjoying yourself more, eating, drinking and having sex; loving your dog, and even your progeny!! These things are most likely to fly against all the advice of most religions.
So play the wager by all means, just reject all religion.

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By exactly the same argument even if you don't believe in florescent, pink fairies it is advisable to live your life as if there were florescent, pink fairies.

That sounds SO sensible, doesn't it?

This is basically a varient of Pascal's Wager - it was a silly and invalid argument for him, and re-stating it in different words does not mean it suddenly makes sense.

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Which god? The christian/Jewish god is no hero. He's an evil thing.

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I believe in that... I Sin like the xtians!!!!!!!

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Utter nonsense! 😀

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By observation I can see most people are acting good on their own but I do feel like there should be a clearer set of rules that would define morality. People twist the meaning of the bible to suit their own needs of the time and frankly it isn't that clear. Trump is a good public example of how unclear morality from the bible is represented. Whatever is what he wants at the moment is of course, the best for all.

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Since half of the ten commandments are about worshiping god, as are 3 out of 4 of the pillars of Islam, I'd say no, I don't see any value in living my life according to their rules.

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Who advises that and why? It's not that I'm curious at all... I just think that when people go around giving out unsolicited blanket advice as to how you personally and by extension the human race should live, they should at least finish the thought out of politeness. That they don't qualify such a grand conclusion is arrogant, pretentious and presumptuous. Also, why is this in the General & Hellos category rather than one more specific? Is that for the purpose of hitting as many viewers as possible, unsuspecting to see (perhaps because they don't want to see) religious/spiritual discussions in this category that isn't designated to be such? I personally made up my mind as to why I'm here, so as not to have to politely say no thank you all the time; to live my life without that and without having to explain myself. I don't go to religious sites to preach my way of life... I came here to be left alone by preachers and not have these kind of philosophical fishing expeditions posed to me, which I think is kind of passive aggressive.

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Tha American Humanist Association tag line is "GOOD WITHOUT GOD."

I don't need to believe in a god to believe in doing good.

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