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Just wondering here. Has the Christian public presence grown since 9-11 or has it always been as pervasive as it seems now to an outsider?

Geoffrey51 8 May 2
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Not grown so much as gotten more vocal. I think the religious are old people with more time to crusade...but be patient, because they are naturally becoming fewer and the younger gen are less prone to believe the guy in the sky is real...

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They have several new champions. One of them is in the White House. (Who's no more a christian than my dog.)

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In my estimation, they are fewer but louder.

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You mean as more in your face? I think they have. Because so many conservative Christians have now become politicians, and pastors have become more political, it's like they all think they are entitled to demand that everyone live and believe what they do.

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West coast, consistently shrinking...

@MissKathleen ...ok...a sheltered life here...

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Do you mean on this site or in general? Because it's down to 70% in the US from 84% 15 years ago

I was referring generally

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It’s grown. The presence that is. It’s deliberate and the tool that makes it happen is fear. Fear drummed up by an agenda that has no real loyalty to any religion or faith but is willing to use these as a tool. Fear in the minds of those that feel a need to turn over their sensibility and critical thinking in exchange for (unearned) comfort and security. Sorry, rant over.

Excellent rant sir! No need for an apology.

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I feel they (most the evangelical strains at least) have long been about wielding power and cozying up to those they see as either doing their bidding or aligned with them on their pet issues. 9/11 allowed the nation and government to get their hate on in a more openly bombastic manner as well as demonize the "other" in a way they're more than willing to do.

I think the most touching and powerful counterpoint to this I've seen, was a documentary about a group of US women that lost their husbands on 9/11, and traveled to Afghanistan to see how the people we were bombing lived.

@MissKathleen

There's also a component of the perception that the poor brought their plight onto themselves. The notion of the prosperity Gospel and that a comfortable life is a sign of favored from God.

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It's always been there. They've just got WAY more noisy about it.

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It seems more intense and extreme. Atheists are dead meat in politics.

That is not as true as 10 years ago. In the next few years I expect to see more aesthetic politicians

@LauraPerrine I hope so

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It has grown. The Muslim attacks world wide have given a rise to white supremacy and nationalism worldwide. This includes the U.S.A.

@josh_is_exciting The right wing nationalists have started representing Christians. Who else do white supremacists and most nationalists belong to?

I think this is more true
White Supremacy/Nationalism in the U.S.= Christian

This applies to Germany, the U.K., France, Spain, Australia,

In India
Caste Supremacy / Nationalism = Hindu

Muslims have been radicalized before 9/11 in many countries around the world.

@josh_is_exciting I would say, generally speaking, absolutely.

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More vocal noisy

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There seems to be a division in religious prevalence post 9-11. the older generations that were already religious turned to it stronger, where the younger generation after fighting against terrorism in the name of christianity have turned hard from the whole thing. Understanding of what happened during 9-11 and the resulting wars was a major gateway that lead to my eventual atheism, and I have talked to lots of people that feel the same way.

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Well their "War on Christmas" whine is more often and louder. The hate for Muslims. Arabs, Jewish people and people from Africa has escalated to dangerous levels.

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...I don't think so - there seems to be a
rally around "older comfort institutions"-
for those scared of change. When a statement was made that "caucasians"
will be a minority before long,insecure
people seemed willing to grope for scapegoats. Here in Pennsylvania, around
the year 2005 ,many churches combined or
closed-due to lack of participation. Other
religions appear to be recruiting still.

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Studies show that more and more people are leaving the churches. What we are seeing is the American Fundamentalist Christian Taliban that has been given a spotlight because of our idiot orange president.

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Fear and uncertainty are the reasons people are turning to religion, and religious leaders and con-men (if there's a difference) do all they can to encourage fear and uncertainty. On top of that, the government, especially under Bush and trump have done all they can to create fear, because a scared populace is more compliant.

JimG Level 8 May 3, 2019
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not necessarily specifically since that date; i have noticed its presence growing since before then. but yeah, since then too.

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Not sure .......what does have one thing to do with the other?

9-11 was a polarising event re Islam v The Rest.

@Geoffrey51 That's one way to look at it, I guess..... on the other hand, I would say the impact at least here in the US has been political for the most part (Too many resources, time and money that have been spent in countless military operations, let alone the amount of life lost after the fact outnumber the casualties of that day... non of that has anything to do with Christianity, at least as I see it)

@IamNobody That makes sense. The Bush rhetoric was particularly phobic at the time. Hopefully that has gone away to a degree although Trump does a competent job of reignited the flames.

@Geoffrey51 If we were attacked by those countries then the flame must be reignited until the end of times...we may forgive but certainly won't forget....

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It just seems like it's grown because of a larger media presence with cable and the web since 9/11, not to mention all the cross waving from Trump and Pence. I feel it's getting smaller and the already skeptical millennials (like my kid and her friends) aren't buying into their evangelical nonsense. They're a lot smarter than we think.

That is good to hear. About time this nonsense was closed down. I have no objection to Christians being Christians but the rest of us don’t need to know about it!

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Christian public presence is reinforced by lies. It always has been. Constantine's mother gave him nails from the true cross of Christ. He was told to wear them in his crown or have them on his horse if he was in battle. (Jesus Christ! How many nails were there?)
Later in the 1970's hitchhiker's that were picked up on the highways were know to suddenly blurt out "Jesus is returning soon" and they would simply vanish from the vehicle. This is the nature of Evangelical religion.

I love Constantine’s mum, Helena I think it was. Came up with loads of ideas for her boy to implement when he was the gov’nor!

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