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if your mother was on her deathbed and she begged you to pray with her.
would you do it, would you accept Christ as your personal savior so that she could be comforted in her last moments of life?

m16566 7 May 18
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Yes o would! To make her happy on the last moment!

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I would most likely go through the motions but it would only be a symbolic gesture.

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My Mother a strong willed and beautiful woman in every sense would never try to manipulate me in that fashion, or anyone else for that matter.

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My mother was on her death bed 4 months ago. I was with her at the end. She was not conscious, so your hypothetical didn't quite apply. But I was asked to be involved in a Catholic family ritual before the end. I said no, due to my convictions. My mother knew my views on religion and that appalling church. She respected that. No need to pretend otherwise at the end. Was it easy to say no? No, but I did not waver. Keeping your convictions in tough times is when it truly matters.

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I have done that for loved ones who were dying. I also kept my non-theist beliefs from my father, because I knew it would have hurt him greatly.

Pretending to pray, to comfort someone who is dying, feels weird, but it is no sacrifice.

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I lie to my kid about putting butter on her honey sandwiches because she thinks she doesn't like them when she knows they've got honey on them. The exact same sandwich she thinks she doesn't like if she knows there's butter. But of course, if I leave the butter off, she won't touch those dried, crusty things. So I lie to make life easier for the both of us.

I suppose I could lie to my mom too, if I really felt like that's what she needed on her deathbed. I've even considered attending the local church to spare my daughter from being ostracized quite as much. I've considered rejoining the church in order to attend the local University for my Master's degree. I used to think that sort of thing was wrong but now I'm realizing that lies are a two party thing. If the other party won't accept the truth, sometimes it makes life work better to just lie.

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She is already gone. She would have never asked that. She gave me respect. I miss her.

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No. She was too mean.

Carin Level 8 May 18, 2019

Same!

If your own mother hates you, you are really fucked.

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No.
I wouldn't do that for anyone, for any reason.

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Yes, I would pray with her. No question.

zesty Level 7 May 18, 2019
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I would pray but no, I won’t lie again. I did that once.

why it sounds like you have some history with this question?
did you lie about your beliefs and somehow it came back to you?

@m16566 I was about 12 or 14 years old and at a revival service. (I come from a long line of Baptists) In my heart I didn’t believe the Christian message, but I allowed this sexy girl to talk me into going forward and saying that I had “accepted Christ”. It gave me a cheap feeling and I never got anything out of it—not even a kiss. 😟

I lived the lie throughout adolescence but in college I got up the gumption to put my foot down. I’m still not an atheist BTW. There are god-like concepts that intrigue me greatly. I don’t actually “believe” those concepts. For me it’s not about belief or disbelief, rather it’s about reverence, and awe of the overwhelming mystery of existence as a consciously aware entity.

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It would really depend on so much else, most likely my sister and other family would also be there and would later be angry at me for faking it, as they would find out I hadn't meant it.
I would more likely be willing to do a prayer along the lines of If I'm wrong and you are real please reveal yourself to me. My mom doesn't need to know that my abhorrence of religion would be even stronger if it turned out her god was real.

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My mom wouldn't have asked that of me but, yes, I would say what she needed to hear. They are just words...mean nothing to me and everything to her. My love for her far outweighs my tiny discomfort.

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My best friend from 1st grade did that for his mom. I'm pretty much positive it didn't mean anything. But the shit fucker pastor giving the eulogy made s big deal about it. My poor friend looked so uncomfortable. If I were to do it for my mom I'd make sure no one else found out

Was it a Catholic Priest???? He was probably corn-howling the kid.

@FlyingEagle1952 Protestant Baptist. And my friend was an adult. No corn holing

@count_viceroy i hate catholic priests...... As you can see....

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No. She's knows better.

Ditto.

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I often wonder this question when I think of people how have been kidnapped during times of civil unrest.. like the 70+ Nigerian schoolgirls abducted from a Christian school by Muslim rebels and "forced" to convert so the abductors can feel ok about raping and forced "marriage". When those girls were asked to renounce their god to save their lives.. how many said no?

In a scenerio like the one you mention here, I would say, 'No'. I know myself.

The inner warrior in me will fight to the death before being forced to do anything that goes against my morals.

I'd take charge and lead a fight so brutal against my enemies, they would beg me to kill them or they'll just have to kill me.

If I'm going die on any given day under those circumstances, I'm going in a blaze of glory like a true badass!

if I could say what I had to say, Aveda lay and Escape I would.

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The first question for this would be, why Jesus? Why not Buddha, Allah, Lord Shiva or even Ahura Mazda etc. Because maybe your country is dominated by Christianity making Christ as your God and savior. Well of course, the faith you were raised to, does not mean that particular religion is the correct one. Be rational enough dear.

Why not santa claus? Popeye the sailor? Batman? Lassie? Rin tin tin? The wizard of oz?

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There is a big difference between praying, which is basically a wish, and accepting Jesus Christ as your personal savior. If my mother’s last wish was for me to pray with her, I absolutely would in order to give her comfort. My job in that moment is to make her comfortable and help ensure that she goes in as much peace as possible. I would feel selfish if I didn’t.

when I die, I don't want to hear any Jesus Christ bullshit.....they are just as crazy as the Muslims....

@FlyingEagle1952 and hopefully, if you have those that believe in the lie of religion near you, they will give you respect and show you their love by NOT mentioning their belief, which you find so odious.

@Leeshi My daughters are right wing fanatic evangelico Christians, they love Trump too. But they still love me. I am a spiritualist, not by wishful thinking, but by experience. I didn't know what is was in 1994, it took me years to find out.....I experienced a kundalini awakening, not fun either. I have to hear this JC bullshit all the time. I have 2 daughters and both of their husbands are studying to be ministers. I usually go to the Xmas services for my grand kids, but i've stopped that....no more. My daughters know I want no discussion of Jesus Christ over my ashes.....that's for sure. There has been nothing that has contributed more to mental illness than Christianity. There is one sick God......omg.....so sick.....end of story. BUT......there is life after death.....we are in fact beings of light.....it's all about light frequencies......and it is important to LOVE AND BE KIND. WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND.

@FlyingEagle1952 while I respect your right to believe in whatever you choose, I find it a bit hypocritical that you, who believes in some form of higher power (if I am mistaken in my understanding of what you just posted, please let me know), are calling others that believe in a different higher power crazy. What makes your higher power so much more realistic than theirs?

@Leeshi It's not about a 'higher power"....it's physics......light frequencies......consciousness is consciousness......what makes ME ME....and YOU YOU. When our body dies, we must exit these physical bodies. It has nothing to do with what you believe, your religion. It's biological phenomenon. My mother believe there was nothing after you die. She passed in 1994. Well, .....too bad....but wrong. At the end she went into severe shock because she was not prepared for what was going on. Neither was i. There is a great book called THE JOURNEY OF SOULS, by Newton. He was a skeptic.....but just ran into too much evidence. It's a great book. So is BEYOND THE LIGHT by PMH Atwater.........i had dinner with PMH.......another one LIFE AFTER LIFE, by Dr Raymond Moody. I had dinner with Raymond Moody, the man saved my life. And Dannion Brinkley, he wrote SAVED BY THE LIGHT. I had dinner with Dannion too. Dannion was dead for almost an hour.......they made a TV movie about him and he was on Phil Donahue 4 times. Get on YOUTUBE and watch Ebin Alexander.....he is a brain doctor that died. He will blow your mind. I went IANDS meetings for 10 years, my experience was in 1994. Good luck....

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probably because I would know I didnt mean it and it would mean something to her

lerlo Level 8 May 19, 2019
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there is life after death, but it has nothing go do with Jesus or any other religion. Our souls are eternal, or at least we exist as long as the UNIVERSE IS gonna exist. Praying to Jesus is like praying to Santa Claus. Or Popeye the Sailor.....or superman.....batman....Elvis.....Rin Tin Tin.....Lassie.....Toto.....the list goes on and on......and sometimes imagination works. B
ut for the most part organized religions are about taking your money. When your mother dies, you don't want them to be alone. And they are no alone. Our ancestors who have already passed on demonstrate themselves and help with the transition. Sure it is scary, but we all must cross over sooner or later. LET''S JUST HOPE GOD IS NOT A CHICKEN......GEEZ!!!

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Doubtful. Admittedly I unable to say for sure unless I find myself in that situatiion, but I would like to believe that my mother would expect me to act out of some form of intellectual honesty. She has known for some time about my atheism and position.

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Yes, because she is my mother and dying. My belief is about my life.

But the best part of the question is my real Mother would never ever care about or ask me to do these stupid things.

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I'd fake it convincingly. I don't actually have to believe it, I just have to make her believe it because it would bring her comfort. It wouldn't be hard, as she would already be inclined to want to believe it anyway.

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No but would pray to ease her mind praying for comforting family members is not a statement of belief

bobwjr Level 10 May 19, 2019
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