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A hugely blaring difference between Capitalism and Socialism that Americans seem to miss (and very much to their detriment) is the level of education attained by their respective citizens. Today, I have a bachelor's degree and an associates degree, if it did not cost so god damn much, I would probably have a master's degree or a doctorate, I am a lifetime learner, and have always enjoyed learning, there is no doubt in my mind of that . . . . But the capitalist system demands that you give and arm, a leg, and a left nut, just to get a decent education.
Capitalists do not want educated people . . . Educated people are dangerous to them. They want fucking dimwit, dull-brained sheep, sheep who know enough to work for them, but not educated enough to think for themselves, because if they thought for themselves, en masse, they would be revolting against the control of the 1%, and probably tarring and feathering their asses, and running them out of Washington.
. [latimes.com]
. This is probably one of the the biggest and most important differences between Capitalism and Socialism.

THHA 7 June 17
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Employers want good technicians who know how to get the work done correctly but cannot think critically.

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Yes education is power

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I would generally agree with that. It explains why critical thinking skills are reserved for only the managerial and professional classes by being taught only at the college level and not in high school in the US. The same with most social sciences which the ruling class would not like the masses to know too much about sociology and economics, or poli sci..

I don't think it's really being taught at the college level judging from how most college educated people "think".

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I don't know that providing more people with a higher education will result in more people thinking for themselves. Many people aren't book smart and choose not to go to school even though they can afford it. They aren't necessarily the ones not thinking for themselves either and the college graduate aren't always the ones thinking for themselves. There will always be people willing to follow the masses and people willing to manipulate them. That is humanity. It also seems to be part of humanity to bitch about the way things are and assume they would be better if circumstances were different. So far, humans are still human whatever circumstances they are in.

If you do not believe education is power, try taking a trip to a place where you do not speak a word of their language and you will learn very quickly that it is so. I'm not sure how someone could claim it is not a factor, and I would have to suspect that anyone who made such a claim is probably not very well educated.

@THHA Funny. I must have missed that lesson during my six weeks in Spain and my four years in Korea. Making totally unfounded assumptions doesn't do much to convince me that you know all about thinking for yourself or education.

If you can't learn from THAT experience . . . then no point in bothering.
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I have no need to "convince" you of anything, I would have to have some form of respect for your opinion to place any value on it . . . . and given the comment being as laughable as it is, I don't.

@THHA I would imagine you wouldn't, seeing as how you were so helpful in making yourself look like an idiot.

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Sounds like a reasonable argument. I hear people talk so badly about socialism, like if it were implemented in the US, the whole place would go to hell in a handbag. That's kinda happening now, isn't it? The complainers are comfortable in their stations, and for some reason they believe that if even 1% of their income were taken from them to promote education, provide healthcare for the poor, etc., their worlds would collapse around them. They are self-centered, greedy people who typically believe in Jesus or Allah but have no interest in being their brother's keeper. What is the solution? How do you get people to start caring more about benefiting the society that put them where they are? Why don't the upper middle class and rich and wealthy want the poverty stricken to live more comfortably? That is a character flaw that can be overcome by the millennial generation learning to share, because it's probably too late for their predecessors. It can happen; they don't see skin color like their predecessors, so maybe they can do this too. We need a flat tax and tax the churches. It's only fair.

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How do you tie capitalism together with expensive education?

I would say you can blame the defense budget, the war on drugs, the Marshall Plan etc. on the fact that the cost of education is higher here than in many countries.

When you devote all of those resources to overseas objectives, you don't have as much money left to subsidize the education of your citizens.

BD66 Level 8 June 17, 2019

The Marshall Plan was implemented to build up a society that wiould become one of America's major trading partners. It was also a huanistic effort. Full stop.
Capitalism need to develop markets for the goods it produces and find areas where to buy, steal or finagle the raw material. The means of production are the willing workers who learn to work faster and more efficient without complaint. Without raw material and new markets and educated workers, capitalism dies.

@Spinliesel After WWII, the United States had the majority of the world's industrial production capability, and the majority of the world's investment capital. During that time, if you wanted something manufactured, it pretty much had to be manufactured in the USA. We made up only about 5% of the world's population.

What the Marshall plan did was to take money away from US individuals and US companies, and gave it to foreign countries so they could compete with us economically. We were penalizing production in the USA and subsidizing production in foreign countries.

As a result, foreign companies started to compete with us on a more equal footing. By the early 1970's you could see VW beetles and toyota civics all over the road. You could also see Sony personal electronics.

This impact was felt very quickly by the US working man. They could no longer go on strike and get any concessions from management. The Caterpillar strike of 1978 pretty much wiped out all power of organized labor in Central IL in the year 1978.

The final nail in the coffin was "Winning" the Cold War. When investment capital could reach the countries behind the Iron Curtain and the Bamboo Curtain, that increased the global pool of free-market labor by a factor of 5. That was the end of organized labor in the USA, and unskilled workers here have been suffering ever since.

So if you want to place blame what turned the USA from "Working Man's Paradise" to just another country for the working man, the two primary culprits are the Marshall Plan and the trillions we spent "winning" the Cold war.

If we had spent those trillions on our own industry and in subsidizing the educations of our workers, we would have a much stronger economy, and we wouldn't be $22,000,000,000,000 in debt.

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Higher education is great, but not needed in order to think for oneself. It’s also not needed to be extremely successful and educated. Never before has free education been so widely available due to the internet. While it would be great if university prices were cheaper, that’s not the only way to go.

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Americans don't want to know anything about socialism. Willful ignorance.

Carin Level 8 June 17, 2019
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Check this YouTube video for some education on socialism.

Prof.Richard Wolff is my favorite Marxist individual

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In the Sociology (not Socialism - lol) of Education we talk about the hierarchy of the Elementary and Secondary Education model. According to this model, schools are designed based upon socioeconomic and social status.

Schools in the inner city and in rural areas where the income is lower or substandard, students lack adequate resources to support or reinforce the opportunity towards upward mobility. Thier lessons are designed to reinforce following directions, meeting deadlines, not questioning superiors, and answer rote or non-open ended questions. The curricula is geared to making the cogs to feed the machine. They are being trained to work on the factory floor, work in the service industry, or fill out the bottoms ranks of the societal workforce. Plus fill out the lowest ranks of the military machine "the grunts".

Suburban and middle class teaching strategies are geared somewhat higher in their aspirations. This group is given more open-ended questions. They are still taught to follow instructions and meet deadlines, but they are given the opportunity to have some input and make limited decisions. This group is being groomed for middle management or small business ownership. They are also encouraged to enter the military, but aspire to the lower and middle officer corps.

Lastly, the upper class is given a more rigorous and challenging curriculum. They are asked to make decisions and defend choices. They are expected to be involved, motivated and competitive academically. It it generally expected that these children will be the pool from which the next leaders will be drawn. They are expected to be top lawyers, doctors, and stock brokers.

Now exceptions occer at all levels in this hierarchy. Involved parents can motivate their child to achieve despite disadvantages (nurture). Prodigies and exceptioal talents occur within all the groups (nature).
Likewise, learning disabled and slower students also occur at all levels.

More recent teaching strategies have changed this socio-economic model of education. But it hasn't eliminated it, just lessened the more insidious aspects of this formulae.

t1nick Level 8 June 17, 2019

Interesting. Thanks for that!

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You need workers to feed the capitalistic machine. And the human fodder that gets fed to the machine scream the loudest to protect it. Go figure.

t1nick Level 8 June 17, 2019
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