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Who needs a savior when we have science and Hitchens wisdom?

Austin-Cambridge 8 Aug 11
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Only Homo sapiens.

skado Level 9 Aug 12, 2019

Quite the reverse, every other species on this planet needs saving from mankind's greed and indifference.

@Austin-Cambridge
No worry. Science and Hitchens wisdom will save them.

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I liked Hitchens ...he was erudite and could demolish any religious argument with one hand tied behind his back.....but let us not deify him, or Dawkins either, or we veer dangerously into sounding like a religion and a bunch of followers ourselves!

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i like the whimsical insights of Dean Koonz: "there are times that our lives seem to be following scripts written for the entertainment of the gods, but the jokes go right over our heads".

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I’ve asked religious people constantly,”What is there to be saved from?”

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i've never read hitchens. somehow i became an atheist at an early age anyway. that is not to knock hitchens, but NEED (instead of a savior)?

g

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Religious people argue science does not know everything. That is where God comes in. The Bible supports everything science has discovered. 🙂

Science doesn’t know everything...but god of the gaps is risible!

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I don’t get the fascination with Hitchens, Dawkins and the like. To each their own I suppose.

The fascination, as you call it, is that they pale their religious counterparts into insignificance!

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Needing to be "saved" was certainly something that bothered me--even when I was still a believer. I would look at an innocent baby, or child, and think that their default destination was hell and he/she would go there unless they were saved (unless they died before the age of accountability--whatever age that was). And, saved from what? Well, from a punishment this supposed loving god decided upon (at least according to the religion I was brought up in). I wondered why this god make it that way--especially if it was a god of infinite love. When I was finally able to let go of my belief in this god I felt so liberated. My mind was no longer filled with all that garbage and I no longer had to make sense out of so much nonsense. And, now, I can love the science I was taught to fear and ignore.

Let our praise be to science!

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Science, yes -- that and knowledge and reasoning power. I don't need Hutchins. I figured it out on my own some 60 years ago.

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Who needs to be saved by any sort of savior, especially if you have done nothing wrong, but lived your life!

You are not expected to enjoy this life, just live it in fear of not going to the next life, that's why religions sell tickets, It's a great tax free business!

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The saviour was the person who offered eternal life to humanity, making life in this world meaningful. Now that most people suppose there is no existence after death, we have to find meaning enough in this life. Will people like Christopher Hitchens help people achieve this? I'm watching Jon Vervaeke's YT videos at the moment called Awakening from the Meaning Crisis:

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Who needs a savior when there is nothing to be saved from?

or for.

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A savior from what? It boils down to the fact that Jesus is going to save you from what god promised to do to you if you do not believe. It's a setup. You have been trapped. Many theists point out that Jesus saves you from your enemies and bad things that might happen to you, but world events doesn't back this up. If you fall for it you can then understand why heaven has a gate and also walls. Apparently if you make it to heaven there might be enemies outside the city. OMG, what do we do?

Relax and have a life here and now! I didn't ask for this one and I'm sure I won't get another!

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We just need a savior for our science education, to make everyone appreciate what it can do for them personally and collectively.

no, we don't. we just need the education itself. a savior for it will become an overall savior, because people like to elevate heros. it's the same way people were yelling for oprah to run for president. she is smart. she says smart things. every smart person who says smart things isn't automatically qualified to be president! and she's not the only one; every time ANYONE says anything clever, run for president! likewise if someone quite wonderfully advocated for science education and became a hero to some, that person would be elevated, perhaps to savior status.

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@genessa I just want a better education in science method for the whole population and that must come from. science educators. Once the M.O. has been spread then it is up to each individual to make the difference. Science is a universal tool for everyone.

I agree that the populous seize upon anyone that seems to know AN answer but it is the methodology that counts.

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I've been listening to Hitchens quite a bit lately. Enjoy his knowledge, wit and sarcasm!

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