In the past I have often hypothesized that religion, with its emphasis on unquestioned belief and deliberate avoidance of evidence, would predispose its followers to being gullible. (It kind of seems intuitively obvious). Our current national political situation only seems to reinforce the hypothesis for me. Given my admitted anti religious bias I'm wondering if anyone has a more informed opinion one way or the other. What do you think? Any real evidence to back up, or refute this idea?
I think it's more a reactionary, knee-jerk adversion to change, wanting things to stay exactly the way they KNOW them to be.
Whether a Republican or a fundamentalist Evangelical, or not coincidentally BOTH, or a Muslim, or a Stalinist, or whatever, some people have settled on the "truth" and refuse to budge!
Are they more gullible? Of course, because ANYTHING which allows them to preserve the "truth," despite the evidence, is believeable!
I have personal experience to draw on. When I was believing Mormon, I was more likely to trust other Mormons without question. We got burned a couple of times. It was an odd experience because while we blamed the other guy, they did not appear to feel any responsibility. We hadd some other experience the opposite way as well, but the negative ones involved a more money.
I had heard after leaving religion that Utah was particularly susceptable to scams which was attributed to the dominant religion. I recall sitting through Sunday School lessons which encouraged members to deal with and trust other church members because of religion. No doubt, messages like this conveyed in church would make some more vulnerable to unscrupulous individuals if they were convinced they were church members.
I thought I had once read an article a long time ago which discussed higher rates of scam victims in Utah than other dtates. I tried searching for something to that effect but found nothing. I did find several articles, however, that discussed higher intelligence among atheists compared to religious people.
[livescience.com]
Nobel Prizes[note 1] have been awarded to over 900 individuals,[1] of whom at least 20% were Jews, although the Jewish population comprises less than 0.2% of the world's population.[2] wikipedia
God later promises the land of Canaan to Abraham, and eventually delivers it to descendants of Abraham, the Israelites.[61] wikipedia
Genesis 12:1 - 3 The LORD had said to Abram, "Go from your country, your people and your father's household to the land I will show you. "I will make you into a great nation, and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."
Believers in religions are predisposed to being gullible. Religions do not belong in government systems but are often there to lead and direct the people in certain ways. I have put myself in a position of non-delusional to avoid all of this. I am not concerned in any way with the invisible man and I do not believe your life starts after you die.
If you switch this over to science it appears that science backs me up.
We place way too much emphasis on "reason." We're emotional beings, and 'emotional' is how we evolved. Even to this day, it's the "animal brain" that decides what information gets acted upon.
If you read the works of the Saints (or even the Bible... especially Jeremiah, the writings of David, the words of the prophets), belief has never been unquestioned... only that certain aspects of the belief must be true... i.e., God is real, good, and loving. Everything else is up for debate. Even those are questioned by God's closest friends.
We came out of Africa "spiritual" beings (there are cave paintings, artifacts, and other archeological evidence to this). It's baked into the cake. So the question is, "Why?" Why do we see God, or gods where there is no evidence of either. I feel like that's the question we should be asking.
Maybe you do not understand the evidence that you can see.
3 different biblical references that people are Gods. With out disputing truth or fiction of Jesus character, it is written that Jesus style God argued that people are Gods.
Isaiah 41:23 Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together.
Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Although it is impossible to obtain exact figures, there is little doubt that the Bible is the world's best-selling and most widely distributed book. A survey by the Bible Society concluded that around 2.5 billion copies were printed between 1815 and 1975, but more recent estimates put the number at more than 5 billion. From: [guinnessworldrecords.com]
The biblical text is record holding most copied book of it's kind. Biblical text has been peer reviewed for 1000s of years. It has critics but overwhelming acceptance that supports Jesus's statement that people are Gods.
Gods exist because people are accepted to be gods,
It is not necessary or required to prove any other style of God, only one style of God is required to prove atheism wrong or illogical.
Willy wanka style god, Harry Potter style God, Zues style God, Medusa style God: what ever, none of these are required to be proven to show and prove an acceptance for at least one style God.
People are considered to be deity by modern dictionary publication.
I think it’s all about indoctrination. I’m in China where 90% are atheist. They are a different kind of atheist than the the American kind. They weren’t converted and their culture says nothing about religion. To them there is no big deal, the same way we Americans are about Zeus, Thor, and the like. My Chinese wife says I waste too much time with my agnosticism. When my wife was growing up it was illegal to go to church. Sometimes I wish I was like her but I feel like I need to fight for separation of church and state. If everybody kept their beliefs to themselves I would have no problem. Don’t think the intelligent scientists and doctors would be religious without indoctrination.
If you want a clearer view of pre-industrial society look up Émile Durkheim, ‘The Division Of Labour’ sections relating to mechanical and organic solidarity.
You can’t understand Modern/post-modern society without understanding societies before the Industrial Revolution.
What you're saying may very well apply to religious literalism ( I don't know specifically what the science says, if any has been done in that area) but to say it applies to the broader category of "religion" is pretty clearly overreach. Not all religions promote unquestioned belief and deliberate avoidance of evidence. Buddhism, for example. And there is even an argument to be made that original Christianity taught just the opposite of what many who claim to be Christian today practice. "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." etc.
Absolutely yes. You seem to speak my language .........SCIENCE.
Please see my Science teacher group on this site. You do not have to be a teacher.
it depends on the religion. as it happens, judaism encourages questioning and, well, the english term for "pilpul" is nitpicking, which has a negative connotation, but pilpul doesn't. now that doesn't mean that individual jews, like everyone else, are not vulnerable to natural gullability. i have met so many fellow jews who don't even know things about their own religion and hold beliefs that are similar to what christians have accepted! but it's not written in; the opposite is. so i can't generalize about "religion" unless we're talking about christianity (and from what i have seen, also islam). buddhism certainly isn't like that, nor is shinto, and i lived in japan for 10 years so i have had some chances to observe that. ritual is one thing. inflexible belief is another.
i think christians are the most gullible folks in the world.
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So Judaism encourages questioning everything but the god stuff? That's a huge step in the right direction compared to christianity, but not far enough IMO.
@Mostly_Harmless I didn't say except the God thing. Why do you assume that exception?
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I think religion provides ready made answers to many of life's issues, & so forecloses adherent's sense of inquiry, so it does promote gullibility.
The current political situation is appalling, where many supposedly religious people, especially Evangelicals, throw overboard their supposed moral beliefs to support Trump's evil corruption & racism.
The evidence to back up this idea--just watch the news
Yes perhaps, the fact is that you can not choose what you believe. You either do or you don't. But you can perhaps choose to be deliberately gullible.
Suppose that a second hand car salesman said to you. "We only deliver the cars after you are dead, you have to wait till then to get your hands on it, but they must be good ones, because no owner ever complained."
Welcome to the asylum. Enjoy your stay.
The only evidence I have is personal observation.
My experience has shown me that people who believe in things that have
never existed are also extremely susceptible to con artists.
There are scientific studies that religious people are more likely to be the victims of con artists
@Remiforce I was thinking something along these lines recently. My cousin is very religious...and very poor, mostly from staying in a job where the employer takes advantage of him, and has for years.
We're both Star Trek fans, so for the last year and a half I've been inviting him over to watch shows and movies. We watched Star Trek: Discovery, and he was oddly talking about elements of the show connecting to other Trek shows in ways that suggested he thought one person made them all, or as if there was some blue print from 1966 where someone had planned out over 50+ years of hundreds and hundreds of episodes, with movies sprinkled in, etc. It was as if he thought that since all of Trek was ostensibly within the same imaginary universe, that it was in some way "real". Or maybe as if he was suspending his disbelief to such a degree that he was seeing intentional connections between series (which were decades apart) that just were not there. Certainly writers of today's shows are picking up elements from old shows and running with them, but no one 30 (or 50) years ago was thinking, "Hey, in 30 (or 50) years we'll have this show called Discovery, and we'll do A, B, and C with it". Again and again, he kept talking as if that were the case.
It wasn't gullibility so much I was seeing but maybe deep, deep credulity. He wanted to believe in this imaginary universe so much that he kept saying things that were just weird, and it reminded me of the things he has said about religion. For instance, he told me someone at church gave a sermon about how Adam and Eve were black and white. I can't remember which was supposed to be which, but suffice it to say, the sermon's lesson was to show that everyone is the same, there are no real races, and also give an origin story to where races come from...as if no other "races" are present on the earth besides "black" and "white". Not to mention the fact that the "lesson" is contradictory if you say there are no races because we all come from Adam and Eve, and then simultaneously say that this explains where the races came from. Good grief. For this to make any kind of sense at all, you have to have some deep well of credulity.
This is shored up by the evangelical right and their inexplicable embrace of president shithead.
@TheMiddleWay You said your search was cursury. I'd have to do some research to find the specific connection between religious belief & susceptability to cons. As you pointed out, people in a religious community tend to develop trust, specifically for those they identify as part of their community. There are plenty of "Elmer Gantrys" out there who will take advantage of this trust.
Con artists become skilled in finding & manipulating the levers of trust in many situations--Cowboy fans, etc.
But I believe you will find a higher coefficient of correlation in certain groups, as opposed to others. This will be an interesting research project. I wonder if any of our readers can shed light
@TheMiddleWay, @powder, @KKGator Please remember we are talking about the coefficient of correlation (deviation from the norm) in certain groups , as opposed to others, & not in absolutes. Certainly there are intelligent atheists who have been taken in by cons, but you have to look at the number, as opposed to religious people who have been taken in by cons.
Then we have to look at why. Is it just the trust engendered by being part of a often tightly knit group, or is there something specific about religious belief that correlates with the tendency to believe con artists
@powder, @KKGator, @TheMiddleWay Certainly people who are going through the stress of life changes, & even good life changes can be stressful, are often more vulnerable to cons because of the instability these life changes can cause
People with more education, group support, & resources may cope with these life changes better. People in a religious group may have more support, but they may have more encouragement to blindly trust
@powder, @KKGator, @TheMiddleWay, @greyeyed123 There are findings in Gestalt psychology that people tend to fill in the cognitive gaps.Greyeyed123"s cousins apparent credulity may be an attempt to overcome the frustrations in his life because of his job situation with an imagined sense of wholeness
I always enjoy your Reader's Digest version. But it was a nice run down that rabbit hole with my morning coffee.