I sincerely have a hard time comprehending what "spiritual" means. I've gotten as many different answers to that as the number of people I've asked. I honestly don't see the difference between being spiritual and believing in gods/deities/imaginary characters. I am interested to see the kinds of perspectives people here can give me.
I've been an atheist since age 13, when I realized the Bible is just a book of stories written by men.
Hiking is a transcendent, uplifting and spiritual experience. The mountains are my sanctuary.
Since 2006, I have volunteered as a college mentor at the high school. I help low income, first generation students write essays to apply for college and scholarships. This is the most rewarding volunteer work I have ever done.
A Christian psychologist from Portland, Oregon's first message to me:
"I really like your playful, creative, giving being. You're more "spiritual" than most religious people. I'm curious how an "atheist" can live that way."
Christians who don't know me often ask, "How can you be a good, moral person without believing in God and going to church?"
These questions from Christians are rude and tiresome. Being a kind, thoughtful person is a series of daily choices.
Interesting, never thought of spirituality that way, but it does make some sense.
Some people believe it means connected to something other than yourself. As in nature and feeling grounded and at peace when out in the wild. Or the moment you have a child and they lay the baby on you for skin to skin contact. Lots of different interpretations and I never worry about them. It does not have to mean godly or a deity.
EXACTLY! I find a lot of people use it in reference to "Mother Nature" or something similar.
"Spiritual" is a pretty arbitrary term when looking for a specific definition.
To me, as an atheist who doesn't believe in the supernatural, I think of it as a state of mind where one reaches a feeling of well being, peace and contentment. Ironically that definition could also work for many "believers" as well... although they might want to add in some nonsense about "souls" an d"spirits".
I'm not surprised at your confusion. We have a culture, and a language, that only allow for "science," everything that's measurable, and "religion" for everything else. But, if you don't buy religious dogmas and are not limited by materialist reductionism, then you're pretty much left with vague terms like "metaphysics" and "spirituality," both, basically, just catch-alls for experiences "outside the asylum." Don't get hung up on terms, that's dogma territory. Good luck.
People who identify as spiritual but not religious usually have separated themselves from organized religion and religiosity, but they still purse individual spiritualism, such as mysticism.
I think of Buddhists and Taoists as spiritual but not believing in deities.
I think when people say that they are spiritual, they are referring to feeling of having a soul. The concept of humans having a soul did not originate with Christianity or any of the other major religions. In fact, many Greek philosophers talked about the soul in their works. I think this concept came about because of the duality of the human mind. Thoughts do originate from within you at times without your conscious control, which leads to the belief that there is something inside of you called A SELF, which is synonymous with the concept of the soul. I think when a person says they are spiritual, they are saying that they feel connected to their sense of self or their soul.
My own cynical view is that when people think they are way too cool to be called boring old religious, but want to impress people at parties that they connect to the "higher level" meanings in life, they say, "I'm very spiritual." Doesn't work on me. They do hate it when I laugh though.
That is a very good point. They used to be the New Age Brigade but not sure where all that fits now.
I feel there is no need to declare who are what you are because it will be wrong anyone and the label will make you something you may not want to be.
I agree. I've made similar kinds of comments. For me spirituality is an under-cover term for religious.
Spirit like, team spirit at a pep rally or sports game: it is that MOTIVATION, a force. Force of thoughts that moves and motivates to action.
To live a "spiritual" or life of "spirituality " , would be living in motivation modes or searching for motivation reasons.
I think spiritual involves some form of supernatural. If someone tells me they're spiritual I tend to think of them as I would if they told me they are religious or woo.
That's been my take on it too.
It's a term open-minded people use to annoy atheists.
So what does it mean to you then ?
Is that to say you are claiming all atheists are not open mined?
That is not open minded.
@Davesnothere reasonable experimental conditions means something like a sterile laboratory. That's silly.
Suppose John Doe reports a "spiritual" experience at dawn while camping in a forest, stone cold sober. Then Piano Man says ,"but that won't happen in a sterile laboratory.". Well no f#ckin' Duh, dude.
@Moravian it's like pasta. Could be shells, could be angel hair.
@CallMeDave Ah !!. So you are a Pastafarian then.
I like that. It does annoy me.
I think that the Christianity rush is a lot like dope in a way. It certainly is a high of sorts that I can see. From what I have read I also think that a certain amount on dopamine is released when a inner thought is pinpointed in a way that you enjoy. Today, I think that has a lot to do with what is described as spirituality..I certainly get a high of sorst when I am really getting into what I am thinking or saying.
A bunch of us had this conversation, once again, a few days ago elsewhere on this site.
Mi argument is that there are too many definitions and so we should stick to the two dictionary definitions: