Do you believe in an afterlife? Even if you do not believe in the Jesus and Christianity role model perhaps there is still an afterlife. It might not be what we think of as an afterlife.
Who knows ? No one does for sure.
When we do know we will not be able to tell anyone.
SO....who believes in an afterlife even if they are agnostic? I'm pretty sure atheists do not. Again, I could be wrong.
The recording I posted was a real recording. I did hear the words "This is your mother." Many of you scoffed at it but i didn't rig that recording.
Did no one else give it a second thought?
I've been in search of this answer for a very long time. It's why I dabble with the ghost theory and the supernatural. I've never SEEN a ghost but again how do those words come out clearly to me. Are they what I thought I would hear, so I heard them?
To believe in an afterlife, you must believe in a soul or spirit... cause no part of the physical body survives... i don't believe in souls... The only thing that occurs after life, is death... death is the afterlife... Death is the end of life...
I have zero belief in any afterlife.
When you're dead, you're dead.
That's all there is, there is no more.
Said this the other day:
There is no "waiting room" for those yet conceived.
There is no "after hours lounge" once you're dead.
@JustLuAnn It can't. However, there is no credible verifiable evidence to prove there is an afterlife.
Unless and until there is, there's no reason to believe there "might" be.
Just like gods. Or ghosts. Or any other damned thing that there's is no proof of their existence.
I think people believe what they want to believe, whether they can prove it or not.
If you want to spend your time "investigating" that stuff, knock yourself out.
My favourite question 'Does it MAKE SENSE?'
Does it make sense that your consciousness - which during your life has required the support of one of the most complex, intricate things we know, the human brain - suddenly becomes capable of existing in the absense of that organ, through some unspecified and unexplained process?
Does it make sense that the vast amount of information that makes us 'who we are' continues even when the physical 'data storage device' that holds that information is rotting away in a 6 foot hole in the ground?
Sorry - no. It just doesn't make sense.
And yes, of course it is POSSIBLE that I am wrong, and both consciousness and memory/information storage miraculously continues in the absense of a brain - but there is no valid reason whatever to accept that concept as true, and many reasons to strongly suspect it is not.
So if something doesn't make sense, the 'default position' should be to doubt, unless new evidence suggests otherwise.
Afterlife is a religious myth to scare people and keep them in line.
I have been atheist since age 13. I don't believe in invisible gods, heaven or hell.
There is no reason to conclude that our consciousness continues on after death. Without our organic/material brain, how could it even be us, as an individual consciousness, that continued on? We are our brains. Our brains are us. When our brains die, we no longer exist.
But, we do know that our atoms and energy continue on; and this is what allows other life to exist. This is the only afterlife I desire and I find it wonderful to know that the energy that came together to form me will be dispersed--becoming a part of many other life forms.
I'm going to post a quote be Sam Harris here. I could ramble on about why it makes no sense to believe in an afterlife, but I heard Sam say this in a debate a few years ago, and it sums up my thoughts succinctly.
"There are very good reasons to think it’s not true. We know this from 150 years of neurology where you damage areas of the brain, and faculties are lost… You can cease to recognize faces, you can cease to know the names of animals but you still know the names of tools…
What we’re being asked to consider is that you damage one part of the brain, and something about the mind and subjectivity is lost, you damage another and yet more is lost, [but] you damage the whole thing at death, we can rise off the brain with all our faculties in tact, recognizing grandma and speaking English!"
Ghosts would have to literally be perpetual motion machines.
They don't eat. So where do they get the energy to do anything? -- even to be seen?
If they are solar powered, why do they they tend to hang out in dark places?
Sorry but I don't believe in ghosts the same way I don't believe in the supernatural in general. If something is real, it's natural. The further you have to stretch to support something's natural reality, the less likely it is to exist.
Ghosts -- and afterlife in general -- have so little objective evidence that they are quite a stretch.
There’s no “afterlife”
The proof is that we have zero evidence. There is not one single piece of evidence of anything super natural. We certainly have tried.
No there is not but there is also no evidence to believe there is not. The verdict is out till we die
@JustLuAnn Just because there is no evidence for something, that does not mean that it could exist. This is particularly the case when it goes against all the verifiable scientific laws we have. There is no evidence that there is not a giant teapot in the sky a million miles away. Does this mean that the verdict is still out there? Of course not.
Of course there is an afterlife, it is called death, happens to all of us and it is a fact of life that we will all eventually die. It is a natural part of the cycle of life, we are all born and we will all die. No exceptions to the rule. All religions, not just christians, sell to those arrogant enough to think that one deserves and is entitled to live forever or brainwashed enough to believe in such bullcrap, that an after life exists, and humans are arrogant enough and/or stupid enough to rationalize it somehow, despite evidence to the contrary. What evidence you say? When we die we are either maggot fodder or just ashes if cremated. Guaranteed 100%. There is no heaven or hell where you will either continue "living forever" or suffering eternally. The sooner you accept that fact, the sooner your life will become even more important, as we have just a brief time in this world to leave it better that we received it. In fact, it will somehow give you a sense of urgency to do so every day of your life. Unfortunately, it is the belief in an afterlife that will in many cases prevent you from doing just that. Why bother if you are arrogant enough or stupid enough to think you will "live forever."????
Not sure I could be quite that anal. Or should I say final. When I read about the frontiers of science. They’re researching both the infinitely huge as in multiverses and the infinitely small as in just disappeared. When the material disappears that’s not far from ..say, a thought, or consciousness, or... They’re researching consciousness, sub consciousness and everything to do with the mind. And They say we’re made of stardust. Literally, as some of the elements in our bodies could only come from the massive heat generated in a star. And so we are just part of everything. At the very least our raw materials will eventually become reincarnated in something else. I don’t think we’ll be able to look back in time any more than we can look ahead, but, who can really be positive about anything?
@Bilbobagins obviously not you. But the transition you make from astrophysics, which is very real and proved with equations as evidence, to say we are part of everything and that we will be reincarnated is your and yours only erroneous deduction of a provable scientific reality. Typical trick used by some, derive a falacy from something real.
I believe that every single atom in the universe has been here since the beginning. They are immortal, and they are all that remains of us after death. Consciousness after death is a belief of people who are unable or unwilling to conceive of a world which does not include them. I’m reminded of the old joke...what happens after you die? Lots of things, they just don’t involve you. Religions all seem to have in common the notion of a physical existence after death. It’s an idea so hard-wired into our species that even those without a belief in a deity conceive of eternal life in physical terms, and loved ones “reaching out” from beyond the grave. Personally, I’m satisfied with my atoms returning to the cosmos from which they came. That’s all the “eternity” I need.
The existence or none existence of an afterlife is of no real importance in itself. To be of any importance it would have to either be proved to affect this life in some way, or to be affected itself, by this life, in some way that could be demonstrated. An invisible or nearly invisible afterlife, with no evidence about its nature, like the invisible deist god, affects nothing.
While hearing voices is a very common failing of the human brain, which is programed to seek patterns and to favour false positives over false negatives, plus being well able to generate perfectly life like hallucinations.
For interests sake, you may find it interesting to research Joshua Slocum, the round the world sailor. Who famously recorded, not only hearing voices but seeing and having a true conversation with a hallucinatory pilot who he found aboard, and actually at the wheel steering his boat, in the middle of the Atlantic. Though he never concluded that it was anything but a hallucination made by his brain.
You're correct that no-one knows, and there's no way to prove it unless and until someone actually dies and comes back with scientifically valid (repeatable, verifiable) proof, proof that isn't merely brain chemistry playing tricks on us and creating fantasies out of our own minds. The "90 Minutes in Heaven" experience is wishful thinking and confirmation bias at its worst; a man in a near-death state hallucinates what he has been programmed to expect after death. I doubt one would have to look far for Muslim accounts of visiting the garden of the afterlife, or other religions' accounts of similar experiences.
What might surprise me is if a person from a completely different religion reported encountering a Christian afterlife during a near-death experience.
In the absence of proof, however- by which, again, I mean verifiable evidence (as in, someone somehow records or repeats the same experiences more than once, and who would volunteer for that?), we default to assuming that there's no afterlife.
Cases of reincarnation have been persuasively reported. It's possible. I hope so!
But not absolutely convinced.
You say you've been searching for "the answer." So have lots of other people!!
You need to talk to theists and atheists...they're the only ones who have "the answer.!"
Agnostics will just rub their chin, scratch their ear, and stare blankly into the distance.
Do I believe there is an afterlife? No.
Do I believe you heard something? Yes. Was it what you think it was? No. I think we sometimes want to hear something so badly, we do. And it doesn't matter what anyone of us thinks anyway. It only matters what you think. If you heard what you wanted or needed to hear, why bother trying to disprove? (That's hypothetical.)
@JustLuAnn No, I did not. I don't know what you're referring to, but I can assure you, I wouldn't believe it's a spirit, ghost, deceased person/persons, some time warp, a spiritual anomaly, or anything of the like.
I still maintain it only matters what YOU think you hear.
@SeaGreenEyez It's my previous post. To me hearing it made the difference. To others it didn't mean anything. So I was wondering. Thanks for the response.
When you die your electrical brain waves cease. All that remains is your legacy and that is kept alive by the living. I'm okay with this, it's reality.
What does it matter.No one knows.
So live your life as you feel is the right way to live.
I was in a coma for four days. And I didn't see shit bro.........
I guess I see it as the last great adventure. As the lights go out on one world, what will come next? Assuming I'm not surprised by death - shot or mangled suddenly in machinery - I intend, with some excitement and trepidation, to observe the process as best I can. My guess is that a lot of the death experience is influenced by external circumstances at the time of death. If you have time, maybe you can adjust to something new. If you don't have time, maybe you can't and end up in a state of cosmic panic. George Harrison once said of John's murder, "I was so sorry he didn't have time to prepare himself for death."
My understanding is that there is a small but inexplicable weight loss at the point of death. Buddhist monk's can "see" the astral self departing. There is no more reason to assume it's all over at brain death than there is to assume it isn't.
The so-called "21 grams experiment" (which is sometimes claimed to show an "inexplicable weight loss" of that amount at the moment of death) has been comprehensively debunked - not only were the methods used deeply flawed, the sample size was just six subjects and the physician who conducted it, Duncan MacDougall, was highly selective in his reporting.
@Jnei thanks beat me to it, most people who cite this experiment have no idea what and when it actually was
@K9Kohle789 when the power company produces electric, are they actually creating life forms? Also, I don't believe in energy lasting forever.. I believe it's used up and recycled just like plastic and other materials...