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Study of European Countries where young people are not religious. I do wonder about Italy and Spain though, they do not get a mention.
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girlwithsmiles 8 Feb 4
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My guess about Spain and Italy is how preposterously Catholic both nations are either prevented many people joining the study or dissuaded the researchers even going.

Orly Level 5 Feb 11, 2020
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It is likely that those countries were statisical outliers for that study. Perhaps those countries are more conservative and they did have a long tradition of Christianity. That might be the reason why.

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Norway isn't mentioned either and I'm pretty sure that they are in at least the 50% range. The young Spanish people that I know are definitely not religious. I was told by one that religion is a business.

I found a study about Norway, it’s a couple of years old and the person writing it didn’t understand percentages properly, but it’s informative 😉

[uia.no]

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A ray of sunshine on an otherwise gloomy February day. 🙂 Thanks for sharing.

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We were in Italy, France and Holland last September and just from asking and listening to conversations centred around their cathedrals I would agree. Only the older people are still going to mass and church(Holland). Hardly any young. They are very passionate about politics though, but I would hazard a guess that there’s much greater separation of state from religion than here.

Mmm I don’t know much about Canada, would you say that the church and state are quite connected there? I’d always got the impression that Canadians were quite sensible. ( from Canadian s I’ve met and Michael Moore shows I guess).

@girlwithsmiles no, they really aren’t connected. Like Europe we’re not going to church much anymore. Churches are closing and or combining congregations. There will always be some believers and older people of course that go regularly. I’m not sure about Quebec which is R C.but in Ontario their numbers are dropping for Catholics too. We don’t have a Bible Belt. Thanks for the interest.

@Bilbobagins interesting, thank you .

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Very religious

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Very encouraging.
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That would take care of the problem, since most women, if not all, DON'T want to be baby factories.

I believe there was a male contraceptive being brought out soon. But vasectomy is apparently pretty good once you’ve decided kids are out of the equation. The male shot is meant to work for 13 years...
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I live in Spain ( Baleares) and I can assure you that in my part of the country the average mass in the church (right across the street from my house) is attended by mostly older women. Sometimes they drag their husbands along, and, of course a much larger number of people attend mass at traditional holidays, weddings and funerals, but most younger people I know are indifferant to religion. When middle aged people in the Republican dominated regions, like Catalunya, were young, Franco was in power and he gave the Spanish Catholic church a bad name to those citizens.

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It is notable that the Catholic Church was on Franco's side during the Spanish Civil War. The Republicans (not the same as American Republicans), killed a few Catholic Priests...but not enough. 🙂 The fact that the priests supported Franco may be a factor in modern Spanish being less religious...they may have a long memory.

I didn’t know that, but did once meet someone that survived Franco and yes, I don’t think he’ll be forgetting any of the links.

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It did not address that fact that the less educated and economically stable a country is the more religious it tends to be. This is also were the populations are growing the most. So yes there will be more religious people on the earth but the percentage of religious people is forcast to generally decline.

No, but funnily enough I shared a report about that within another post recently. The US being the exception.

@girlwithsmiles The U.S. is not small or unnoticed.

@DavidLaDeau ? No it’s loud and large ? But it remains one country.

@girlwithsmiles Yes I often am embarrised to call myslef an American when talking to my freinds in the international atheist community.

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I do not think that you would find the level of religious fundamentalism in Europe that you have among American evangelicals and pentacostals.

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I am guessing because the report was commissioned by the synod and they know how the data for Italy impact upon their strategy.

Spain is included in the report.

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I see it occurring here; the catholic church is consolidating
(and has for years) reasources & REALESTATE.
The ethnic churches are holding thier own or expanding.
I see integration and community support as the reason,
although there is peer and cultural pressure. As politicians
like Mike Pence tout religious FREEDOM but spew hypocritical
diatribe against Muslim and other ethnic groups I see this as a lose/ lose proposition for society as a whole. What choice
is there for our "new" american folks? I trust in thier
intelligence to overcome these heavily promoted impediments
to thier progress
Thanks

impediments

@Storm1752 thank you

@Storm1752, @Fred_Snerd the ethnic folks in my area are literally "STEEPED" in religion- from media to institutions.
I feel as if I live in the 1950's- its pervasive. Just a different set of PLAYERS!!!☯️

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I think these projections just take current populations and project from birthrate to give a 'future' figure. That would be decidedly unhistorical. There are still plenty of countries where it is virtually impossible to come out as non-religious so I think there is a great under-counting of the irreligious.

Agree ,here too!

The projections apply to Westernised countries. Africa, I know, has a thriving churchgoing society.

@petter and south america

@BBJong So I gather, but I have no "first hand" knowledge of it.

Well, I not sure that you can count the Theocratic Muslim countries. Who can say what their citizens really think?!

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This study is borne out by observation and knowledge of life in the UK and Ireland. There are a number of churches closed and either lying empty or being turned into restaurants or art galleries. Shopping and leisure centres are busier on Sundays than churches, and those few people who do attend church regularly are elderly. Ireland is mentioned as still having high church attendance amongst the young, however I have first hand knowledge that the young Catholics I know who live here only go to mass to please their parents and after they are dead I doubt if they’ll bother. I know one young woman who pretends to go to mass on Sunday morning, but in fact goes to McDonalds and has a McMuffin & coffee and reads the Sunday papers. She lives at home with her father who is housebound and she can’t bring herself to tell him she’s lost her faith.

I frequently pay homage to the McMuffin, accompanied by a coffee. She is a wise girl?

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Was raised up in Florence.. don’t really recall anyone under the age of 25-30 ever stepping inside any churches. 80% tourists

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If you go to Italy or Spain and visit the churches you will see that they are mainly attended by the very old and even then they are not full.

Italy had one of the highest negative population population growth rates in Europe. So much for the influence of the Catholic church.

@JackPedigo Yes and those Italians being so passionate too

Bleeding the last of those pensions dry...

@Jolanta Remember, passion does not have to include making babies. This is the 21st century and there should be no excuse for, oops!

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I live in Spain and have family in Northern Italy. Religion is associated with the old. The young have far better things to do with their spare time.

Interesting, thanks.

I just go there for a month every year and that's my impression too.

@brentan your impression is spot on.

I haven't been to Spain since the 60's and I only went one time then.

@DenoPenno During the Franco regime, the Catholic church reigned supreme. After the dictator's death, there was a public backlash against the church and all its repression.

Agree it's that way a number of years here too.

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Religion has been losing importance through the years, especially in cities. Of course there are still loads of religious people but the tendency is for religion to lose ground.

@TheMiddleWay,although this study shows these things, it's only about a small percentage who gets enquired. Religion has been losing strength. I did some volunteer work in a hostel that belonged to a church and it was incredibly hard to get new volunteers and people to attend the services. How do you explain that?

@TheMiddleWay, I don't fully agree with you. In terms of religious people having more children in general, perhaps, especially when it comes to Muslims. Here in Ireland, a very Catholic nation, mainly after the child molestation scandal people have gone further away from Church. The churches here are more full of Polish and Africans than Irish nowadays, the Irish that go are most of them over 50.

@TheMiddleWay, fortunately here, in terms of government, there's a separation between the State and the Church. However, many schools are still connected to the Church, to which I disagree. They say there's no discrimination, to an extent, it's true, but preference is given to the people that belong to the type of Church of the school in particular (Catholic or Protestant mainly).

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