I'm a senior citizen. I rather wait at home for the scientists to develop a vaccine.

Flattening the curve prevents hospitals being overwhelmed and not enough ventilators with lower survival rates

If you think taking on the 5.6% death rate with possible permanent damage to vital organs while probably killing your elderly loved ones is a good plan, have at it. I just can't even listen to this.

A lot of what he says makes sense; but his statement that we want to get this and get immune, is problematic. According to the WHO, it isn't a certainty that those who get it will be immune from getting it again. I certainly hope this is not the case. And, also, people at less risk of getting sick or dying from it can still spread it to others who are more vulnerable.

I think this is going to be around for a long time; and a one-time vaccine may never be possible. It may be that it becomes just a fact of life and we will have to alter our behavior if we want to protect ourselves, and those more vulnerable around us, as much as possible.

As someone who has asthma issues, though minor when compared to others, I will be proceeding with caution. I may never again go out in public without wearing a mask. I will keep distance between myself and others. I will try by best not to touch my face; and I will wash my hands thoroughly when I get home.

We need massive testing so we know how wide spread this is and then it can be decided how to best proceed; but our dear leader has failed us in this.

I watched this the other night. He brings up a few valid points. Our immune systems need something to fight on occasion or it gets weaker. We are sheltering in place not to stop us from ever getting the virus... In fact 80% of us WILL eventually get this. The whole point is to flatten the curve and to delay when we get it as we cannot have the hospitals overrun. Supposedly... 80% of people who get it will either display no symptoms or mild symptoms. The bad thing is... You just don't know how your body will react to it.

Saw this the other night. I really like the seemingly practical, seemingly intelligent, middle of the road perspective to all this.

All of this sounds wonderful; in theory, anyway. But the example given, Sweden, is a country where there is more concern for one's fellow man than exists here. Swedish society focuses more on the "we" than the "me." So they may more carefully follow social distancing practices than I think will occur here. My worry is twofold:

1. Many people are going to go "back to normal" without face masks or practicing social distancing, so the virus will have a chance to come back with a vengeance; and
2. Since the virus is very contagious, every nimrod who runs around like a maniac because they need to get their hair cut, their nails done, go to the bar, etc., is putting several OTHER people at risk. If the "I want to be free" crowd could only get sick THEMSELVES, then I would say, "Go for it! Knock yourselves out!" (I'd also prefer that those people sign a document saying they will forgo medical treatment if they get the virus, but that's another discussion.)

I guess what I am saying is that the people who say "I have to go back to work! I have to feed my family!" appear to me to be the folks who are least capable of understanding the risks. And if that causes a resurgence of the virus, ALL of us will pay for that.

I saw this clip, and was not impressed with Dr. Katz. “Lifestyle medicine?” WTF is that? Too much marketable woo for me. When he’s on target, Maher can be pretty insightful, but I think he goes off the deep end on occasion, flirting with anti-vaccers and ill-defined “alternative” medicines.

States frontline workers are also wanting states to push to reopen soon? Who is he talking to? In my state, frontline workers had a counter protest to the "reopeners". I think giving a blanket statement of frontline workers opinion is highly irresponsible of him. He can only give us his own anecdotal information. He has given a verifiable untruth there when he states "frontline worker's want to reopen". He CANNOT speak for all. (Please note link below with counter protest) I don't appreciate this level of inauthenticity from someone of his professional medical stature. In the interview discussion derides "playing politics" then, proceeds to do just that! UNREAL! He is a faux newser too!

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And another article regarding counterprotesters to "reopeners"
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The WHO put out a statement yesterday that reinfection was still a distinct possibility and they doubted their evidence of infected people being immune -- let alone being not infectious.
Being too impatient to wait for reliable knowledge about the epidemic will drag it out and will make it worse for for everyone. Here is a graph from 1918's Denver flu data as to what happens when you try to back out too quickly. We live in a sensationalist, media driven, society but the virus isn't listening -- it will follow its own course.

We wait until we actually know that we get immunity. We do not know that at this point.

Also the speaker does not suggest any way to protect the vulnerable in the meantime.

Cite one study that shows having it once gives you immunity! In fact, several prelims have suggested you can get it over & over and/or it changes like the common cold virus, so you get another version.

When I was a kid, way back when, I caught chicken pox. Everybody in my class at school got it as did my two brothers. The whole school was exposed to it. It's just the way it was.

As an adult we know more about it. It's a virus. A herpes virus. It can reoccur as shingles, a herpes virus. The chicken pox virus never really went away, it just hid out. No vaccine, no cure. They've got something that "helps" but I don't think "cures".

Suppose this virus has some of the same characteristics? It's there, it hides out, it comes back, maybe as something else, but never really goes away. If it's like that, we won't be able to hide from it forever.

I agree with what he's getting at, if what he's saying is true.

But, he's also saying, people in poor health are going to die and to keep that from happening, they're going to need to be isolated. That would include people who have poor lifestyles, are overweight, have high blood pressure or other underlying causes that they may not even know about and would otherwise lead full lives.

We can't really hide forever.

I feel that there is some validity in his statements. After all we do grow up with germs and diseases. That said we need vaccines against many of these diseases. Personally I feel that we need to be temperate in our response, too often our knee jerk reactions cause as many problems as they solve. Either way there must be space for dialogue and ideas, after all we used to have outside toilets, until someone challenged the model.

I see that even Bill Maher cannot get a haircut now either.

I'm very confused about something; perhaps someone here has some insight?

There is, as yet, no guarantee that infection will produce immunity.

We are trying to develop a vaccine.

Yet, a vaccine works on the principle that infection (even artificial, toothless infection) produces immunity.

See the problem here? Shouldn't we first know if immunity is even possible? Or should we just charge ahead based on hope? (I'm not saying we shouldn't, by the way, but...is that actually what we're doing?)

Wait. The death rate is still climbing fast. The hospitals are over worked, lack of equipment, lack of hospitals in some areas. We need vaccinations. The earth can stand a little breathing room from all our fuel use, it needs a break to be able to sustain us.

Are people daydreaming and are we in our right minds? COVID-19 is similar to the flu in many ways. Are we building up immunity to the flu and are there vaccinations to "cure" it? No. Why do we think we can get a coronavirus "cure?" Chances are that the virus will be back regardless of what we do. I don't think this thing works the same way VD does.

Nobody in his right mind believes that we are going to be quarantined for 18 months or until a vaccine is developed.

I can see both sides, but short-term the lockdown has helped abate a deluge of hospital patients. Also lockdown gives more time for a vaccine to be developed.

There is such a thing as overreaction, where the cure becomes worse than the disease. In the long term, everyone will have been exposed to the virus. We’ll either be dead or immune, or somewhat immune. I think it is reasonable to begin to relax some of the precautions. This thing is not all that dire.

Herd immunity will be the final outcome. Delaying herd immunity prolongs the suffering.

I have not had a chance to watch this yet, but whenever I hear someone talking about "building immunity to covid" I do highly question their knowledge base about this new illness. Experts have proposed there may be a "fading immunity" to covid that may only last three months. If the fading immunity idea is correct these types of discussions are not only worthless, but highly counterproductive. Again I will ask, why is the media not exemplifying nations where rule following lead to successful covid management? Please note Wuhan, China , city of ORIGIN of virus has already REOPENED, while U.S had a case rate what almost 10x country of origin and continues to propagate virus daily through lax rules and disease management techniques. When can the U.S. start having useful discussions about covid?

I started watching this and immediately Maher plays on American desire to individualism "groupthink", he calls it. Flouts the Dr.s credentials, we GET IT, he is educated, but does he EVER discuss the fading immunity idea?

“Right now, we have no evidence that the use of a serologic test can show that an individual is immune or is protected from reinfection,” the WHO’s Maria Van Kerkhove said at a briefing last week. (Said with regard to covid) Why is the Dr. Intetviewed above, a Dr. of HIS level of education, not in step with WHO stance?

What date was this filmed? The more recent it was the more bothered it makes me. I am 3:33 in no mention of Wuhan, China being open. He is only giving other alternative possibilities of what outcomes we can expect.

Going on the 5th week of quarantine. Overall. Sick of it. Need to get back to normal business. With all the diseases this world has ever faced without quarantines. Quarantine should have been an all or nothing thing ...not this half-arsed quarantine of just "slowing it down".

One of 3 things will happen when exposed:

1. Your body will fight it off naturally, you won’t even know you were exposed
2. Your body will need help with medical intervention
3. You will die, nothing will save you.