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What happens in a church state

bobwjr 10 Sep 20
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My family is Jewish. It was a tough time to be a non-Christian. They came to America to escape the Czar and the Eastern Orthodox Church.

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Those pictures tell you why the founding fathers wanted a separation of church and state. However, we in the UK always have had an established church. The main difference between now and back then is that the church is subject to the crown, which in turn is subject to the will of parliament.

So in UK even the god answers to the parliament?

@Pedrohbds Not god just the church, However, MPs cannot take their seat or be called upon to speak unless they attend morning prayers. They don't have to pray just attend. This has caused objections not so much on the religious aspect but it's at 7am which is a real hinderence for female MPs who may be moms as well

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There has yet to be a theocracy that wasn't cruel.

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Seems to be true.

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This is more painful than my divorce.

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For the sake of precision most of those "medieval" tortures were made up in the illuminist era as a way to deny medieval values.
There were tortures, prisons and executions, but they were a lot more simple and not different from what modern armies (including USA) use today.

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Reminds me of the witch burning scene in Monty Python And The Holy Grail...

Does she weigh the same as a duck?

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Girolamo Savonarola
Girolamo Savonarola.jpg
Girolamo Savonarola by Fra Bartolomeo, c. 1498, Museo di San Marco, Florence.
De facto Ruler of Florence
Reign November 1494 – 23 May 1498

Girolamo Savonarola (UK: /ˌsævɒnəˈroʊlə/, US: /ˌsævən-, səˌvɒn-/,[2][3][4] Italian: [dʒiˈrɔːlamo savonaˈrɔːla]; 21 September 1452 – 23 May 1498) was an Italian Dominican friar from Ferrara and preacher active in Renaissance Florence. He was known for his prophecies of civic glory, the destruction of secular art and culture, and his calls for Christian renewal. He denounced clerical corruption, despotic rule and the exploitation of the poor. He prophesied the coming of a biblical flood and a new Cyrus from the north who would reform the Church.Buoyed by liberation and prophetic promise, the Florentines embraced Savonarola's campaign to rid the city of "vice". At his repeated insistence, new laws were passed against "sodomy" (which included male and female same-sex relations), adultery, public drunkenness, and other moral transgressions, while his lieutenant Fra Silvestro Maruffi organised boys and young men to patrol the streets to curb immodest dress and behaviour.

This only partially covers what his monks did while in control of Florence. His ideas extended to all manners of living and total control of the citizenry. Religion at its best...lol.

The citizens of Geneva during the mid-16th century fared little better living under the cruel and inhumane protestant leader John Calvin, who basically ran the damn town!

@p-nullifidian I sort of knew about that too but did not look it up. Savor a rolla.....(play on words) was certainly one interesting dude. Went around preaching in the countryside and appealed to the poor as part of his beliefs. Mix in the politics and religion and it becomes a dangerous combination. I do remember Calvin had people put to death for the most trivial offenses one of which was card playing I believe. Yep, give me that old time religion.

@yamaha45701 But we shouldn't forget that Savonarola himself was eventually excommunicated by the Pope--perhaps the sodomy laws were too much for him--and executed by being burned alive.
[en.wikipedia.org]

@p-nullifidian True...ultimately the Medicis were heavily factored into the equation. Then you had France....just a big bag of bullsh*t all around. No wonder Martin Luther came along. The church was a rotten edifice at that point.

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I have never heard of a church state that wasn't dictatorial and brutal.

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Ah yes, the old " Believe or Suffer" rhetoric of Religions and even when you believe they still make you suffer.

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They were so brutal ! I truly believe all the narcissists and Sociopaths were and probably still are in control of the church!

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What is this church you speak of? United States of America is the secret religion of the Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worshippers.

Word Level 8 Sep 20, 2020

@Green_Soldier71 Jesus the Christ is Lucifer the devil.

@Green_Soldier71 I prefer the naked midnight dancing myself with women

@Green_Soldier71 Gotta do something for stress

@Green_Soldier71
Those rules are possible, the Christian rules are not.

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A scary thought indeed!!

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Oh the arrogance and immorality of those backed by divine power.

Mvtt Level 7 Sep 20, 2020

Imagined divine power.

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Power corrupts

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