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We have a number of people on this site, like Captain_Feelgood, who persist in attacking people with whom they disagree by simply attacking the person, not the topic of disagreement or the behavior shown. That is despicable, uncivil, and immoral behavior.

I believe that we of the Atheist. community owe it to each other to let those people know -- each time they act in such a manner -- that we do not accept or conduce such behavior. They need ty hear it from as many members of the community as possible.

wordywalt 9 July 2
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Ad hominem attack is a sure sign of a weak argument (and arguer).

What of ipse dixit?

@waitingforgodo Wasn’t he a new romantic who dressed up as a highwayman?

@Marionville no you're thinking of the Hairpin triplets Dick, Bent and Adamant.

@waitingforgodo Listen….I like my post better because Adamantski aka Dick Turpin is a whole lot better on the eyes than his boss-eyed Uncle Ben… believe me! 👀

@Marionville
I remember the 80s...sort of...lol

@waitingforgodo
Ipse dixit...it's another fallacy, yes, but how does it apply to the case of Cop'n Feels?

Thanks for bringing it up...I did not know the Latin 👍

Obviously, a person could have a strong argument, and still engage in an ad hominem attack. That seems fairly obvious to me.

@AlasBabylon
Tru dat

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@wordywalt Yeah, and you persist in attacking people with who you disagree with by simply correcting their grammar ,not the topic of the disagreement .That is despicable ,uncivil and immoral behavior .

Exactly I Agee. I have noticed this hypocrite do this on numerous occasions while never addressing the topic .

Then you should block him, and any other bully/troll. I personally have fun with bully/troll.

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Captain_Feelgood is one of the few sensible ones on this website so what in the hell are you talking about. People like you may be the downfall of this country if your not stopped!

@Trajan61 correct .Being insulted by these idiots is actually a Complement.

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Are you so self centered that you have not realized that you have revealed yourself to be a bully and a hypocrite by submitting this post .

fedup Level 6 July 3, 2021

I am not attacking him. I am saying that I find his behavior completely unacceptable and believe they we need to let him know that. If you cannot see the difference between objecting to a behavior and attacking the person, you have a problem in reasoning.

If someone is being a bully to you, then block them.

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There are always going to be people who, for whatever reason, are incapable of playing well with others.
They're everywhere.
This site is not immune.

If they violate site standards, they can be reported.
If they're just annoying AF, they can be blocked.

Some folks just live for the drama.
In most cases, I find they don't have much else.
I either allow them to amuse me, or I make sure I don't have to see their posts.
Either way, I tend not to take them seriously.
That's one thing about bullies, they can't stand to be laughed at.
Which is precisely why I do it.

You do whatever you feel is appropriate.

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I despise Feelgood, AND several others for their "alternate facts", out-of -context BS, and etc etc etc, but neither you nor I nor anyone should call for attacks! This post is repellent to me in every way, shame on you!
If I wanted to indulge in public stonings I would move to rural Iran!

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Making a post about someone in a general forum where the entire site can see seems pretty hypocritical to me. Try reporting posts or comments. Look in the mirror, this post is a call for bullying someone.

Tejas Level 8 July 3, 2021
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I simply ignore such people. Captain_Feelcrap has a number of companions in my book of ignorables.

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I agree, but I have to admit that I too have devolved upon occasion into ad hominin attacks. Usually after the opposing party has launched the first volley. But certain individuals like the one you reference, and a couple others, tend to bring out the worst in me. I hate ignorance when the information is out there and available.

The inability to recognize the importance of vetting the sources one references I tend to find infuriating. Fortunately I have refrained from engaging these individuals anymore. I've determined that it is not worth my time to deal with these cretins. Most are just trolling for reactions and attention.

Generally I feel the same way as you do, but from the opposite end of the political spectrum. I'll add that many people think using the word "ignorant" is insulting, when it merely infers that party does not know.

I also think there are many people here who look for reasons to take offense.

Your presumption that those who do not agree with you are "cretins" probably invites hostilities.

@Alienbeing

I concur. It was the only ad hominem I was going to allow,myself today. We agree on very little politically. But at least you defend and don't deflect.

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This could appear to be happening because some people take each personal response as a debate or a personal attack. Throw in them wanting to get in the last word and there you go.

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Captain_Feelgood, has low self-esteem and is a closed minded person that feels desperate to attack open minded people.
The topics of interest to discuss in the agnostic community are too deep to analyze that his mind is overwhelmed. And the way to make himself stand out is to attack the person who contributed with her/his opinion so that the subject under discussion kept in constant motion.
Some online discussion tips:
Encourage discussion do not try to stop it with your toxic attack.
Make argument clear, purposeful and short without frustration.
Add value to the discussion and remember that you are having a conversation with members of the agnostic community.

Kindly tell us how you can ascertain how anyone has "low self esteem" on this or any other Web site.

@Alienbeing , thanks for asking. Copied from the original post.
We have a number of people on this site, like Captain_Feelgood, who persist in attacking people with whom they disagree by simply attacking the person, not the topic of disagreement or the behavior shown.

Disagreement when discussing a topic is normal. Some people do not accept the disagreement of their argument, they always want to be right and they get angry and attack. Perhaps because of low self-esteem, pride, arrogance, stubbornness, or enjoyment of being a bully.
I just want to clarify that this is my point of view of seeing people who attack when there is a disagreement in the discussion of an issue.

@Cecilia2018 Thank YOU for proving you can't detect low self-esteem by simply reading a reply As YOU said in your reply "Perhaps because of low self-esteem, pride, arrogance, stubbornness, or enjoyment of being a bully."

I'll add another reason, perhaps it is because of frustration. I'm sure there are many more reasons.

@Alienbeing She didn't say "A reply". It may be difficult to ascertain whether a person has low self-esteem from a single reply. But if one reads three, four, five or more posts of comments, it could begin to seem that way.

@Alienbeing , you're welcome but I'm not trying to prove you anything o trying to convince someone. This is my point of view and your disagreement is accepted with respect . Have a great USA independence Day.

@AlasBabylon, Cecilia2018 "It could seem that way". To who? To almost all of the people on this site who have no psychological training at all?

In many States it is illegal for an MD to make a diagnosis without first seeing the patient. The is a good reason for that.You and Cecilia seem to think you can or do possess extra sensory powers. My point is no one can do that with the slightest degree of accuracy and it is nothing short of pompus to think you can, or maybe more correctly put your view is prejudice.

@Cecilia2018 Thanks again. You admit your "low self esteem" comment was merely your point of view, and apparently with no back up or reason.

You are certainly entitled to your point of view, but one wonders how you reach that point.

@Alienbeing , Thanks 😊
Ok. Let me use the word bully. Why can someone who is having a discussion of a topic with others attack when disagreement show up? Why the need of attacking? Because it feels good or enjoying being a bully. So, there are a lot of reasons why bully. For example, insecurities and feeling powerless it sounds like low self-esteem.

@Alienbeing , thanks

@Cecilia2018 Bully is a much better description, although that may not actually be the case.

Why not just take it for what it is, i.e. someone who couldn't come up with a better argument?

@Alienbeing , Well it was a good talk with you. I'll let you go.

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I wish people who can't handle a difference of opinion wouldn't debate.

They don't debate. They simply attack. That is the only thing that they are capable of doing.

(Okay okay, I am expressing a different opinion 😉 )

Had this happen to me a few times, just report them if they violate standards

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Once I tealize a person has such a history, I just stop responding to them.

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Simple thing to do is report them and block them.

Should wordywalt be reported for continuing to bully members that he seems to disagree with by correcting their grammar, spelling etc ?

@nonbeliever1 I think he should.

@nonbeliever1 wordywalt doesn't both me. Just ask him questions and watch him not answer them.

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Your side of the story is interesting. One wonders what the other side has to say, and what it was, specifically, that you deemed a personal attack.

Oh, I have read them on several threads, he is Not being a snowflake, but this is stooping Below their level IMO

@AnneWimsey I've certainly seen uncalled for insults myself. However I have also seen people who seemingly look for reasons to be offended.

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A simple problem has a simple response: yours. Stop trying to herd cats.

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When you throw dirt, you lose ground.

What if you throw shit? (Apart from emulating a chimpanzee, that is.)

@anglophone
Beware of blowback

@Flyingsaucesir Would that be an inverted fart?

Like that one.

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There's already far too much fallacious latin here which is too tu quoque.

I'll see your fallacious Latin, and raise you fallacious Greek. 😉

@anglophone a big swinging formal fallacy raising farrago of fracas is fraught with silly syllogism.

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Just report his ass

bobwjr Level 10 July 3, 2021
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I agree with wordywalt.

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I had one poster try to engage me with personal attacks and attempt to disclose my location and address.
I don't really care enough to remember who that was.

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If they cared about such comments they wouldn't do it in the first place, don't waste your time

lerlo Level 8 July 3, 2021
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Insulting members is against Agnostic.com community guidelines. Report him.

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Did high school just let out?

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Hi there. I agree that it is uncivil and pathetic when anyone resorts to an ad hominem attack or vulgar language instead of engaging in a discussion on a given topic.
I am not sure, though, if naming and shaming is always an appropriate approach. I don't know if it was your intention that you didn't tag @Captain_Feelgood. You prompted many comments about him but so far, you haven't given him a chance to defend himself. I'm relatively new on this site so I don't really know him, but I think we should let him have his say.

Ryo1 Level 8 July 4, 2021
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