For many decades, South Carolina and Mississippi were leading the race for the designation of "the shame of the south", earned by racism, racial violence, poverty, manipulative authoritarian politics blended with religion. Georgia, Alabama, and Louisiana were always near competitors.
Today dark horse has sprinted from the light into real darkness to take the lead. Texas has clearly become the center of evil in politics, blending racism, etnocentrism, xenophobia, authoritarianism, truly corrupt and manipulative partisan politics, and morally decaying evangelical ideology blended with politics. The rest of us should heap all of the shame we can on that state, until it is recognized as a pariah state, or mends its troublesome ways.
I agree Texas has really advanced in this ongoing "shame of the south" distinction though I would say it's always been clearly in the running. Texas bigotry and religious zealotry, and such, are not in any way a secret. I know this competition less well than you do, but it seems very competitive, and ongoing.
Where does Florida stand in your opinion, in the ongoing competition for the crown of "shame of the south"? Is it excluded because of strict definitions of "The South"? Or is simply not quite as competitive based on the criteria you gave?
I have a running discussion with someone who lives in Florida about the fact that every time some other state raises its hand and in effect says "we are the stupidest state, home to the stupidest behavior you will ever see", Florida (in their view) in effect says "hold my beer" and does something that takes that crown back. "Stupidest" is not the same criteria, and I'm not sure the word captures my entire conversation with that person, but recently we talked and, given the Florida governor's insanely malevolent anti-science bad approach to COVID-19, getting so many extra people killed and harmed by the pandemic, "hold my beer" doesn't really describe the lead they have achieved for the moment in that area.
You are right. All of rural Florida is reactionary racist and and stupid by choice. So are Pensacola, Jacksoville, Jacksonville, Ocala and St. Augustine. The other urban areas are a mixe bag.
It would seem that they have one thing in common. They're trying their damndest to become a theocracy.
Don't be absurd.
it sure would be nice if corporate america pulls the plug on many of there businesses, products, and offices, to force them back into, at least, the 20th century. but, i won't be holding my breath. i haven't heard or read a single one of them speak out today. those tax breaks in texas, and florida, sure keep these evil pigs well feed.
I rather live in the South than California, a state that serves as a laboratory for all idiotic progressive ideas. Also, New York, whose governor underreported many deaths of the elderly. The only people seemed to be obsessed with race are those not from the South.
Your opinion is noted.
Your heads stuck up your ass pal.
@CuddyCruiser your opinion is noted
@CuddyCruiser oh, you are upset that your boyfriend Cuomo had to resign. Baw!
@Heavykevy1985 Your a fuckin’ jackass troll. Sites like GAB or PARLER are more your speed. YOU could never survive here in New York. The large population of minorities will frighten you away there little boy.
@CuddyCruiser NY is a shithole ran by idiots like De Blasio and Cuomo. You can have it.
@CuddyCruiser I lived in Westchester County and commuted into Manhatten for over 30 years.After I retired, I moved to N.C. a little over two years ago.
The metro NYC area is horrible. If I had it to do over again, I would have given up the large income for a better living experience.
@Heavykevy1985 your state is one of the poorest states in this country. Surrounded by religious idiot whackos.
@CuddyCruiser better than junkies and criminal weirdos and a state that is hostile to law-abiding taxpayers. That is why many have left NY in droves
@Heavykevy1985 So what’s your point? Junkies and criminal “weirdos” exist everywhere. And many of the taxes we pay here in states like NY, CA, CT, NJ, Connecticut, Massachusetts all go to pay for the poorer states like yours which have the most poverty and use Socialist programs like food assistance that all you rednecks rail about so much.
@CuddyCruiser While it is true that NY pays more in Federal taxes than it receives from the Federal Government, none of the virtually punitive NY State income tax does anything but fund NY State programs.
In addition to the high State income tax, NYC has an additional income tax, and Sales taxes throughout NY State are high. Then there are the VERY high Real Estate Taxes. While I lived in a nice house in Westchester, the $22,000 Real Estate tax was outrageous. I know one of my ex-neighbors I keep in touch with is now paying a over $24,000 annually. Last, between the Metro North monthly fare, parking at the station and subsequent subway fare I was paying $800 monthy to commute.
There is nothing in the Metro NYC area that comes near to justifying the cost of living there.
@CuddyCruiser not like in NY all the while morons like De Blasio house them in four star hotels. Instead of trying to act all high and mighty, just admit that you know Jack shit about the south and blue states are big shitholes that those with half a brain and money are leaving
@Heavykevy1985 Hmm………what exactly about the south should I know? Or, rather, supposed to know? Other than it’s a bunch of states such as AL, FL, GA, TX, LA, TN, SC, NC, Arkansas, Oklahoma, and that they are all inhabited by far mostly Religious whackjobs who still think they are living in the 40s or 50s who just want to push their misbegotten ways on everyone else. And it may do you some good to take some lessons in civics because you clearly don’t know your cock from your nose. As I’ve said earlier, GAB and PARLER are your speed, GAB especially. All your favorites like Qanon, White Supremacists, proud boys, Flat earthers, Even Marjorie Taylor Greene is on there. So…..run along now there sport.
@Alienbeing And I will agree with much of what you say here. It’s like this…….I’m in a big trade Union here in NYC and I’m making an excellent salary. Plus I also realize that I cannot stay here and retire, which I plan on doing when I’m 62. I live in a 2 bedroom apartment. 2 years ago I bought a 1 acre piece of property in North Carolina which has an existing mobile home. and the taxes on it are $500 a year. The salary I make here, plus all the Union benefits I have, I never could get in that state, or any of the Southern States for that matter, because they all have “Right to Work” laws that are designed to keep unions weak and ineffective to represent their members. If it were not for the above circumstances, believe me I would have been gone from here sooner.
@CuddyCruiser yeah, instead of salient points, you are just slinging mud. By the way, unions are a relic of a bygone era. They are unnecessary and corrupt. Big labor is just as worse as big business. All of worker’s rights are codified into law anyways.
@Heavykevy1985 You are one Fuckin’ huge jackass.
Do you have a 40 hour workweek? Do you get paid overtime? Do you get paid holidays and vacation time? Personal time? If you do it’s because of unions idiot. Besides, you live in a right to work state where workers get meager, if any benefits at all and next to no job protection. Your a moron and your a troll, like I said, your crowd is on GAB. I’m not wasting any more time with a evangelical such as yourself. Go take some hydro chloroquine and get yourself some bleach injections. Your God told you it’s ok. On that note I’m finished dealing with you. Over and out.
@CuddyCruiser not a Christian and don’t care too much for Gab but you seem to. Yes, the unions helped secure those rights but unions are not needed to guarantee them when unions have a vested interest in politics and collecting dues and that is it
@CuddyCruiser I understand your point. However consider this, while wages are lower here as opposed to NYC, they aren't that much lower and at the same time expenses are much lower. My experience is the net effect is much more buying power in N.C. than in or around NYC.
The only problem living in N.C. verses NYC I find is it is difficult to get good pizza.
@CuddyCruiser Your take on the South is incorrect. Most of the South has changed. LA, and MS are still living in the past, but the remainder of the States you listed are not in the same mold.
Here in N.C. we have a Democrat for Gov. He is in his second term and well liked. The spilt between Democrats ad Republicans is nearing 50/50. The far Western part of the State tends to be more right wing (and less populated) than the remainder of the State, but even there the City of Ashville is about as liberal as it can get.
Broad generalities are never correct.
@Alienbeing I only meant they were all the same in as far as their religious beliefs, that was it. I have several friends and relatives in NC as well, from Youngsville, Creedmor, Chapel Hill. and those areas I see are becoming more diverse slowly but surely. All of what you hear nowadays about how certain segments of the white population are afraid of the changes happening, it’s fuckin hogwash because being here it’s nothing new and where I am it’s extremely diverse as I’m sure you probably know.
@Alienbeing what exactly do you mean by living in the past? I live in MS and it has come a long way.
@Heavykevy1985 As a whole, MS is backward. An excellent example is the general skepticism MS has regarding Covid vaccination, and as a whole they are more evangelical than other States.
@CuddyCruiser We are working on the religious nonsense. It is a little hard because, sadly, Billy Graham and his offspring are naitive to N. Carolina.
@Alienbeing being skeptical of something does not make you backwards. Also, being religious does not make you backwards. There is general skepticism in the Dakotas and other places too.
@Heavykevy1985 Tell me one vaid reason to be skeptical of the Covid vaccine.
Where does your State rank in education or health?
Last, I disagree with you, being religious does in fact makes one backwards because it ignores science in favor of provable fiction.
@Alienbeing several. For example, who would benefit the most from being forced to take vaccines? Big pharma. Also, what are the long term effects? As of late, even people being vaccinated are still getting COVID. Plus, you have a 99% chance of survival of the virus. Rankings based on what metrics? Cities like Baltimore are doing far worse than the state of MS. Lastly, Francis Collins, head of the Human Genome Project, is a Christian. So were people like Rene Descartes and Blaise Pascal. I think that religion is silly and superstitious but there is just as much religiosity towards progressives going along with the government than any Christian
@Heavykevy1985 Your first example is absurd. The person receiving the vaccine benefits most. Your second example is speculative so it is not valid. Additionally, nothing is indicated at this time. Third the fact that some who have been vaccinated still catch Covid at best deserves a yawn. No vaccine is 100% effective, and thus far those that have cought Covid after vaccination virtually never exhibit symptoms worse than the common cold. I'd rather have common cold symptoms than die, wouldn't you?
To sum up your "reasons", you have no valid reason. Catch up on science.
I asked you how your State ranks, not how Baltimore rates.
@Alienbeing and I ask you by what metric? No, making vaccines mandatory would benefit big pharma because their vaccines will be the ones bought up. I am caught up science including authoritarian jerks like Fauci who encouraged mask mandates all the while telling people in private correspondences that masks are ineffective. Medicines usually take years of testing before being approved. We will still not know the long term effects. When it comes down to it, states that are employing draconian measures have just as high rates as anywhere else. As mentioned, 99% survival rate. Why is a vaccine necessary?
@Heavykevy1985 If you can't see vaccinations are very effective, there is no use in me trying to reasoan with you.
Have a nice day.
If Texas can't show some humility, Alaska will divide in two and make Texas the THIRD largest state.
Texas &/or Texan humble? Never.
Though technically he (Ozzy) didn’t pee on the Alamo itself and showed remorse anyway this piece of art expresses my sentiment toward Texan pride in a racist shrine:
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And it pretty much sums up my feelings toward their state gov’t.
If there’s anything for Texas to take pride in maybe early ZZ Top (before they went MTV) and Pantera (after they stopped being an 80s glam band and went on to define heavy metal).
They as a state keep screwing up national politics and now the abortion thing. Shameful.
It was the voting population of Texas that put these people in office and I see no reason to believe that they will not put them back in office next election.
The white poor do not believe they deserve anything better but the racist in them wants to stop others from voting.
Don't forget about Florida, where its Trumpist governor Ron DeSantis, is trying hard to let his Republican Talibans take over the state completely. However, we have a plucky bunch of upstart Dems doing our best to find him a new job.
I agree.
Uggh DeSantis is #floridaman exemplified.
Too bad we can't get Mexico to take that shithole back.
We could just let them secede from the Union, go back to being their own independent country.
Then we could stop giving them federal funds.
See how long they last when they have to do it all by themselves.
Let the state republicans figure it out.
You know, since they're so great at running things.
From the condition of their power grid, I'm betting that they wouldn't last long at all.
Why wait for them to secede? Can't we throw them out? It'd be no different than giving them what they say they want anyway.
Is there legal mechanism to do this?
I have said for a long time that if Texas ever again leaves the Union we should let them, in fact we should encourage it.