Seems to me that in the opinion of many on this board, women have Bodily Autonomy when it comes to abortion but not when it comes to getting vaccinated.
By this I mean that the same group of people that lambast people for not embracing autonomy when it comes to abortion also lambast people for embracing autonomy when it comes to the COVID vaccine.
Surely if the basis of embracing abortion is "my body my choice", then that should apply to vaccines as well as abortions.
Can anyone who is both pro-choice and pro-vaccine explain this selective use of autonomy?
Totally agree. I reject the excuse you should take the vaccine for "public good" as it does not act as a vaccine eg provide immunity/ stop transmission. The covid vaccinations are PPE ie they protect you, and normal PPE eg masks, are worn to protect others. It is double speak 1984 we are in.
A vaccine that provided meaningful immunity.....different story. Then the "public good" story would have some merit because a herd immunity has a chance of succeeding.
Consent is important.
"My body, my choice" refers to a woman's choice to continue a biological process that is only her consequence. Her decision effects her alone. Trying to tie into the argument the theoretical end of that same biological process is like "putting the cart before the horse". It is very possible that the same pregnancy could end in miscarriage.
In terms of vaccine hesitancy, the phase is more accurate as "YOUR body, my choice".
A brief education on vaccines: no vaccine is 100%. The purpose of any vaccine is to do one simple thing: instruct the immune system to attack a particular protein (usually) so that the immune system is more effective at fighting a potential pathogen. This process results in the following:
The choice to not get vaccinated is a choice, but that choice has consequences. And those consequences are due to the fact that the choice effects others. Hence, "YOUR body, my choice is more appropriate.
i think your comparison here is a bit of the apples and oranges thing. in one situation its about the rights of one individual vs. crowd safety. in the other its about the rights of the individual concering themselves. one says "help", the other, "keep your hands off me".
I have not seen anyone advocating “forced” vaccination. If such a policy were attempted it would seem unlikely to be upheld by the courts.
Bodily autonomy is bodily autonomy, whether we’re talking about abortion, suicide, or vaccination. Individuals still have the right to refuse to be vaccinated, however the group (society) also has the right to take reasonable measures to protect itself from the spread of the disease. Such measures would include mask mandates in public places and disallowing full participation for those who remain unvaccinated.
People who willfully ignore public health guidance and engage in risky behavior cannot be allowed the same privileges that the rest of us enjoy. And as an employer, I have the right to protect my team and my customers from anyone (employee, vendor or customer) who refuses to comply with our workplace safety policies.
I see no inconsistency in bodily autonomy here.
Covid is contagious and could easily help with population control of homo sapian. Abortion of a baby does not seem to be something with a communicable factor and has lower population control rates. One abortion is only eliminating one set of Gene's from the genetic gene Pool at a time. Covid transmission could eliminate a lot of people from just one person not being vaccinated and spreading.
I'm pro-abortion: Abortion is sometimes the only option under certain circumstances, but abortion, as well as pregnancy, shouldn't be taken too lightly.
I'm pro-vaccine: Vaccination protects oneself as well as others, communities and the entire society. A race to get as many people vaccinated as possible is a race to economic recovery.
(... I was just about to say that abortion does not affect the public health but infectious diseases do... but wait... inbreeding could affect an entire family and beyond with recessive traits if reproduction among genetically closely related individuals was not prevented.)
Seems to me you create complexity of question so that the pretzel is never solvable outside the answer you'd like to see. Here's the simple answer; the fetus's soul is a matter of religious belief and, therefore, unacceptable for removing a constitutional Right (health and happiness both). The vaccine prevents this virus from taking hold, killing the host, and creating mutations which might have no vaccine treatment. They are similar only if one is religious because both are going to kill the life so not taking the vaccine can be viewed (by god if nobody else) as suicide.
My body my choice as applied to the covid vaccine is not the same as applied to abortion - last time I checked men have never needed to have an abortion.
Vaccines are also not banned anywhere in the world, abortions are banned in many places and in some have pretty sever penalties for getting one.
The final point is contagion. There is zero risk of infecting someone when a woman decides she would like to have an abortion, there is no public health risk to the general public. The current virus known as COVID-19 and it many variants are highly contagious and seem to cause serious harm to some people.
Abortion is banned or heavily restricted throughout the U.S. and a federal crime in many other countries.
Vaccinations are not banned or restricted throughout the U.S or anywhere else.
So... maybe bring up this argument again when these two things are on equal footing.
It's not a selective use of autonomy.
One has nothing to do with the other.
Abortion has absolutely ZERO to do with the public health.
Being vaccinated against a pandemic and other communicable diseases has everything to do with the public health.
Trying to use these instances as some sort of argument is disingenuous, at best.
Thats very easy, first of all that is a strawman statement about the people on here. Because lambasting someone for making a choice, is not the same thing as saying that they should not have a choice. I for one would defend anyones right to refuse any medical procedure, even at the cost of my, admittedly not very worthwhile life. But I also reserve the right to tell them so if I think that their choice is a stupid one.
A secondly because the two are not the same. In that a pregnancy is not going to affect anyone else, much (maybe a little) except the child, the mother and their close circle. Or in other words it is not very likely that I would catch a bad case of babies, from close contact with a pregnant woman.
Really Middleway you can do so much better than this. This is just sad.